“Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood
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“Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood
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#2I have a question regarding dark personalities as they are called.
Now it seems clear to me that dark personalities are a problem. My question is, aren't these personalities evolutionary adaptations? And if they're evolutionary adaptations isn't the bigger problem the fact that the environment rewards them? I'm seeing a lot of people bordering on sociopathy who are highly successful.
Why focus on the individual instead of the environment that rewards him
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#3I have a question regarding dark personalities as they are called. Now it seems clear to me that dark personalities are a problem. My question is, aren't these personalities evolutionary adaptations? And if they're evolutionary adaptations isn't the bigger problem the fact that the environment rewards them? I'm seeing a lot of people bordering on sociopathy who are highly successful. Why focus on the individual inste…
In the FA, the system that rewards them is actually the same social system that attempts to help people who are unfortunate or who are treated unfairly... The biggest problem is that these "dark personalities" will weasel their way to game any system, because any system designed by humans is fallible. Without the ability to have complete knowledge and someone to wield that knowledge altruistically (a role that can be entrusted to no human), it's an unsolvable problem.
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#4I have a question regarding dark personalities as they are called. Now it seems clear to me that dark personalities are a problem. My question is, aren't these personalities evolutionary adaptations? And if they're evolutionary adaptations isn't the bigger problem the fact that the environment rewards them? I'm seeing a lot of people bordering on sociopathy who are highly successful. Why focus on the individual inste…
This was the opposite of my takeaway. Dark personalities are just playing to win, the reason they're signaling victimhood is tied to the benefits it brings them. It's not cheating, it's a gamer's blunt acknowledgement of the metagame. If the support system is so generous that victimhood becomes advantageous you're going to find a lot of victims. We can either narrow our definitions/rewards or ignore actors who go against the spirit of the thing.
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#5I have a question regarding dark personalities as they are called. Now it seems clear to me that dark personalities are a problem. My question is, aren't these personalities evolutionary adaptations? And if they're evolutionary adaptations isn't the bigger problem the fact that the environment rewards them? I'm seeing a lot of people bordering on sociopathy who are highly successful. Why focus on the individual inste…
In the FA, the system that rewards them is actually the same social system that attempts to help people who are unfortunate or who are treated unfairly... The biggest problem is that these "dark personalities" will weasel their way to game any system, because any system designed by humans is fallible. Without the ability to have complete knowledge and someone to wield that knowledge altruistically (a role that can be…
To quote Cory Doctorow, "Every ecosystem has its parasites."
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the FA, the system that rewards them is actually the same social system that attempts to help people who are unfortunate or who are treated unfairly... The biggest problem is that these "dark personalities" will weasel their way to game any system, because any system designed by humans is fallible. Without the ability to have complete knowledge and someone to wield that knowledge altruistically (a role that can be…
To quote Cory Doctorow, "Every ecosystem has its parasites."
Is it really a parasite if it meets the selected definition of a victim? Calling them parasites makes it sound like they shouldn't qualify but do. The reality is that the system says they should qualify because the designers decided on broad definitions for various reasons. I think the acknowledgement is important because the alternative just seems like a way to dismiss responsibility for their presence and the resources they take up.
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#7I have a question regarding dark personalities as they are called. Now it seems clear to me that dark personalities are a problem. My question is, aren't these personalities evolutionary adaptations? And if they're evolutionary adaptations isn't the bigger problem the fact that the environment rewards them? I'm seeing a lot of people bordering on sociopathy who are highly successful. Why focus on the individual inste…
In the FA, the system that rewards them is actually the same social system that attempts to help people who are unfortunate or who are treated unfairly... The biggest problem is that these "dark personalities" will weasel their way to game any system, because any system designed by humans is fallible. Without the ability to have complete knowledge and someone to wield that knowledge altruistically (a role that can be…
It's easily solvable if one thinks that helping many people is clearly worth helping[1] a few[2] manipulative hooligans.
My country may be higher-trust than yours, but my impression of how our social system works is that we've found it cheaper and easier to make social aid readily available, and pay a few people who double-check on recipients for possible fraud, than to pay many people to administer red-tape as a hurdle for social aid.
In any case, the immediate problem (at least going by the leaders of the UN security council permanent members), is not dark personalities claiming victimhood soaking the system, it's dark personalities claiming victimhood running the system.
[1] Mark Twain on punishment:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2986/old/mt5bg10.txt
> "Lord, there is one who needs to be punished, and has been overlooked. It is in the record. I have found it."
[2] I would claim that if dark personalities were not rare in one's society, one would have much bigger problems than "victimhood signalling."
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#8This is an interesting topic, but Psychology Today is a poor quality source for serious discussion.
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#9I have a question regarding dark personalities as they are called. Now it seems clear to me that dark personalities are a problem. My question is, aren't these personalities evolutionary adaptations? And if they're evolutionary adaptations isn't the bigger problem the fact that the environment rewards them? I'm seeing a lot of people bordering on sociopathy who are highly successful. Why focus on the individual inste…
This was the opposite of my takeaway. Dark personalities are just playing to win, the reason they're signaling victimhood is tied to the benefits it brings them. It's not cheating, it's a gamer's blunt acknowledgement of the metagame. If the support system is so generous that victimhood becomes advantageous you're going to find a lot of victims. We can either narrow our definitions/rewards or ignore actors who go aga…
I think that you're forgetting that people with dark personalities are all too often the perpetrators against victims.
In that light this is just another instance of these kinds of people victimizing people by abusing the system to reap benefits that are meant for victims.
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#10The entire article focuses on men as having dark triad, and how women are attracted and respond to them.
I am not a psychologist but I did take a Stress and Brain class in my Engineering School from a visiting PhD Psychologist who continually stressed the entire class how much scientific work did not account for both genders and how this degrades the quality of the study.
What would be much more insightful is to study women as well, and also see how attractive (or not) women with these traits are to men, if they on average make more money/how it impacts their career growth.
But no, this study is of course made with a predetermined jump and ignores half of the world's population as subject matter.
Boring.