Why U.S. School Kids Are Flunking Lunch
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Why U.S. School Kids Are Flunking Lunch
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#2"It doesn’t take much. But it takes more than nothing." - excellent way of putting it.
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#3"I gave a high school social studies class a simple food quiz. One of the questions asked, “Where does honey come from? A bear? A tree? Bees?” Almost all of the students got it wrong."
I'm not saying there was anything wrong with his testing methodology here or anything, but if I was given such an elementary question like that as a highschool student, I would have answered "bear" just for the shit of it.
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#4I think through his entire US campaign Jamie Oliver has come across as arrogant and interfering. That doesn't mean he's wrong, of course.
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#5"I gave a high school social studies class a simple food quiz. One of the questions asked, “Where does honey come from? A bear? A tree? Bees?” Almost all of the students got it wrong." I'm not saying there was anything wrong with his testing methodology here or anything, but if I was given such an elementary question like that as a highschool student, I would have answered "bear" just for the shit of it.
He got it wrong too, since honey doesn't come from any of his listed choices. Honey comes from flowers - it's gathered and processed (slightly) by bees. But it comes from flowers.
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#6"I gave a high school social studies class a simple food quiz. One of the questions asked, “Where does honey come from? A bear? A tree? Bees?” Almost all of the students got it wrong." I'm not saying there was anything wrong with his testing methodology here or anything, but if I was given such an elementary question like that as a highschool student, I would have answered "bear" just for the shit of it.
He got it wrong too, since honey doesn't come from any of his listed choices. Honey comes from flowers - it's gathered and processed (slightly) by bees. But it comes from flowers.
No it doesn't, well at least not in the sense that 'car tires come from trees, because the rubber comes from trees and is slightly processed in the factory'. Bees gather nectar from flowers, and nectar is quite distinct from honey.
(my dad is a beekeeper, which doesn't make me an expert on honey and bees, but even the first paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey states the above).
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#7I think through his entire US campaign Jamie Oliver has come across as arrogant and interfering. That doesn't mean he's wrong, of course.
He came across the same way when he did a similar thing in the UK. He just waltzes in and assumes he can run a school kitchen the same way he runs his restaurants. In a way I can understand the reaction of the school board that is described in the article - let him come with a complete plan to do things better, including sourcing ingredients in large amounts, training staff, financing etc, rather than walking into a kitchen, be condescending about everything they do and then complain about the bad taste of students when it turns out they don't like his recipes.
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#8"I gave a high school social studies class a simple food quiz. One of the questions asked, “Where does honey come from? A bear? A tree? Bees?” Almost all of the students got it wrong." I'm not saying there was anything wrong with his testing methodology here or anything, but if I was given such an elementary question like that as a highschool student, I would have answered "bear" just for the shit of it.
He got it wrong too, since honey doesn't come from any of his listed choices. Honey comes from flowers - it's gathered and processed (slightly) by bees. But it comes from flowers.
Clearly honey does come from bears though. Plastic injection moulded bears, I have one in my cabinet right now.
It also comes from my cabinet of course, and from the store, and from beekeepers, and from.....
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#9"I gave a high school social studies class a simple food quiz. One of the questions asked, “Where does honey come from? A bear? A tree? Bees?” Almost all of the students got it wrong." I'm not saying there was anything wrong with his testing methodology here or anything, but if I was given such an elementary question like that as a highschool student, I would have answered "bear" just for the shit of it.
He got it wrong too, since honey doesn't come from any of his listed choices. Honey comes from flowers - it's gathered and processed (slightly) by bees. But it comes from flowers.
Quoting Wikipedia: "Honey is a sweet food made by bees using nectar from flowers." "In the hive the bees use their "honey stomachs" to ingest and regurgitate the nectar a number of times until it is partially digested." "...the nectar is still high in both water content and natural yeasts, which, unchecked, would cause the sugars in the nectar to ferment." "...bees inside the hive fan their wings, creating a strong draft across the honeycomb, which enhances evaporation of much of the water from the nectar. This reduction in water content raises the sugar concentration and prevents fermentation."
Partial digestion, plus enhanced evaporation. That's not "slightly."
If you want, you can argue that there's a continuum. Orange juice comes directly from oranges, but most olive fruit cannot be eaten without processing to remove bitterness. Milk comes from cows (okay, and other mammals) and cheese comes from milk, but it's hard to say that cheese comes from a cow, since other factors are involved. Does beer come from barley? No. Beer comes from the beer maker, who uses various ingredients, including yeast.
So yes, honey comes from nectar, but the essential transformation which makes it be "honey" is done by bees. Therefore, honey comes from bees just like beer comes from the beer maker, and cheese from the cheese maker.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
He got it wrong too, since honey doesn't come from any of his listed choices. Honey comes from flowers - it's gathered and processed (slightly) by bees. But it comes from flowers.
No it doesn't, well at least not in the sense that 'car tires come from trees, because the rubber comes from trees and is slightly processed in the factory'. Bees gather nectar from flowers, and nectar is quite distinct from honey. (my dad is a beekeeper, which doesn't make me an expert on honey and bees, but even the first paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey states the above).
If I gave bees sugar water would they make honey? No. At it's core honey is made by flowers, i.e. flowers do most of the work. Bees do some of the work, but a lot less than the flower does.
I'm not saying there isn't a distinction between nectar and honey, of course there is. But there is also a distinction between raw honey, and the filtered, cooked, version you buy in a store. So should I say honey is made by beekeepers?