UberEats could be underpaying delivery drivers on 21% of trips
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UberEats could be underpaying delivery drivers on 21% of trips
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Re: UberEats could be underpaying delivery drivers on 21% of trips
#2Under or overpaying on trips is more of an interest to those engineers trying to optimize marketplace efficiency. Meal delivery businesses have as much of an interest in not underpaying as doing so reduces supply availability and therefore reliability and they have also an interest in not overpaying as that reduces profitability. The ultimate goal is optimal pricing in a three sided market to maximize liquidity as the business model does best when you optimize for volume of transactions. Maximizing liquidity amortizes fixed costs over more transactions. This applies as much to the meal delivery companies as to the restaurants involved.
At the end of the day, distance driven is very imperfect as you have issues like poor GPS signal and in cities you have the dilemma of urban canyons and tunnels. Also, drivers don't always take the suggested route. At vehicle speeds, it's hard problem to solve due to time between GPS pings. Another issue besides GPS inaccuracy is clock inaccuracy, especially with round-trip times between server and client and client and server aren't always symmetrical, especially on cellular networks, and this messes up all sorts of clock synchronization strategies. The peanut gallery on HN is seriously underestimating the complexity of measuring distance using GPS. It's pretty darn good when conditions are ideal, but when they aren't, good luck.
Another question is the magnitude of the underpayment in the 21% of trips. Are we talking about 1-2%, 5-10%, some other deviation? If it was something like 1-2%, we should all be amazed. Gage repeatability and reproducibility matters.
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#5What matters is the aggregate amount over multiple trips. If you underpay on some trips and overpay on others and it is a net wash, then it doesn't really matter for the couriers if the payment algorithm is on the low side on some trips so long as it is on the high side on other trips. Under or overpaying on trips is more of an interest to those engineers trying to optimize marketplace efficiency. Meal delivery busin…
Re: UberEats could be underpaying delivery drivers on 21% of trips
#6What matters is the aggregate amount over multiple trips. If you underpay on some trips and overpay on others and it is a net wash, then it doesn't really matter for the couriers if the payment algorithm is on the low side on some trips so long as it is on the high side on other trips. Under or overpaying on trips is more of an interest to those engineers trying to optimize marketplace efficiency. Meal delivery busin…
Yeah, and also if Uber was doing this intentionally, they could’ve just as well lowered their $/mile rate if that’s what maximizes profit.
2. I could see a company with various ethical lapses like Uber not prioritizing an unintentional bug for a speedy fix.
3. In the intentional scenario, it'd be a case of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing (popularized by Superman 3 / Office Space). Easier to get away with than a public rate cut, with the downside of bad PR if you get caught.
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#7not sure why every driver isn't already using another mileage tracker app, at least for occasional trips to keep Uber accountable. theres dozens of those in the app store...
The only mileage tracker that matters is the vehicle odometer on a stock vehicle with stock diameter tires with most of its tread. You'd need a device connected to the vehicle via ODB2 where you can press a bunch at the start and end of each trip.
Re: UberEats could be underpaying delivery drivers on 21% of trips
#8What matters is the aggregate amount over multiple trips. If you underpay on some trips and overpay on others and it is a net wash, then it doesn't really matter for the couriers if the payment algorithm is on the low side on some trips so long as it is on the high side on other trips. Under or overpaying on trips is more of an interest to those engineers trying to optimize marketplace efficiency. Meal delivery busin…
Yeah, and also if Uber was doing this intentionally, they could’ve just as well lowered their $/mile rate if that’s what maximizes profit.
This could also be an "unintentional-intentional" bug, meaning its presence was just an accident -- but that the company has chosen to prioritize its engineering resources addressing issues that improve its revenue, rather than decreasing it.
Re: UberEats could be underpaying delivery drivers on 21% of trips
#9What matters is the aggregate amount over multiple trips. If you underpay on some trips and overpay on others and it is a net wash, then it doesn't really matter for the couriers if the payment algorithm is on the low side on some trips so long as it is on the high side on other trips. Under or overpaying on trips is more of an interest to those engineers trying to optimize marketplace efficiency. Meal delivery busin…
Yeah, and also if Uber was doing this intentionally, they could’ve just as well lowered their $/mile rate if that’s what maximizes profit.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, and also if Uber was doing this intentionally, they could’ve just as well lowered their $/mile rate if that’s what maximizes profit.
Lowering the "front page" $/mile rate could make the service immediately less attractive to workers, who can select between multiple services based on the apps on their phone. Lowering mileage paid is much harder for workers to detect, since it requires carefully checking each trip and measuring what's actually paid. This could also be an "unintentional-intentional" bug, meaning its presence was just an accident -- b…
There's way more money to be made in having accurate measurements than having inaccurate measurements that optimization engineers can't rely on. The more accurate the measurements, the more confidence you have that your marketplace optimization algorithms are producing the desired marketplace dynamics.