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How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Honestly, this reads as those books titled "How to make money selling books on Amazon".

Living in France, I can tell, France is very startup hostile.

The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd.

The only way a small tech company can make any money and be sustainable (let alone grow) is having all employees as associates (with all the organizational problems that such thing will bring) and take dividends instead of salaries, otherwise literally more than half of the salary is gone in taxes.

And of course, this is all having their own day job, or taking a "company creation" sabbatical year, which is the only actually helpful thing for startups you'll find in France. You can take a year off from your job, try to create a company, and after the year your employer has to take you back in the same position (if you want, obviously). You need to have worked a number of years before, both in global and with your current employer, though.

VC culture is close to non existing, so you need very good connections to have investors, and those connections often times aren't in France. Financial and investing groups in France are very conservative.

Literally all new companies I've seen founded are like that, and from those that live longer than a year, about 50% move their HQ elsewhere, normally the place where the funding came from.

With the numbers we made back in the day (we were 5), the gap from "we're making some money on the side" to "we need to hire someone who isn't a founder" was about €300,000 yearly in extra revenue. Otherwise it wasn't worth it.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Honestly, this reads as those books titled "How to make money selling books on Amazon". Living in France, I can tell, France is very startup hostile. The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd. The only way a small tech company can make any money and be sustainable (let alone grow) is having all employees as associates (with all the organization…

Also, some European countries require a pension deposit of a million euros per employee for new companies in case they go BK.

There's a documentary on one European founder who built a factory and bought CNC machines for mfg., but couldn't afford the pension deposit, so couldn't hire any full-time employees. C'est dommage. :)

I remember watching French art movies in Toronto in the 90's, and all the young characters worked for the phone company or the government.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Thank you for sharing these details, however what you've described seems to fall under "visa abuse" in eyes of developed countries who offer startup visas... mocking up something one weekend in order to go live in the country certainly goes against the spirit of these visas.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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I'm intrigued on how it's just the opposite of the United States. Here if you get accepted into an incubator they pay you. In France you pay them!

If France really wanted foreigners to start companies there why wouldn't they make the tech visa as close to free and frictionless as possible?

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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post #7

I'm intrigued on how it's just the opposite of the United States. Here if you get accepted into an incubator they pay you. In France you pay them! If France really wanted foreigners to start companies there why wouldn't they make the tech visa as close to free and frictionless as possible?

See my comment over here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24233291

Some of these incubators are gaming the system to make money. I'd not be surprised if they are giving these approvals to people who should not be eligible (ie: people not interested in starting a startup).

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Honestly, this reads as those books titled "How to make money selling books on Amazon". Living in France, I can tell, France is very startup hostile. The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd. The only way a small tech company can make any money and be sustainable (let alone grow) is having all employees as associates (with all the organization…

Yeah, as a French I can only completely agree. The amount of paperwork is just absurd. For instance, when you create a company, you have to pay a separate fee (~200eur) to a private "official journal" to publish the fact that you're creating a company. That's just plain racket, and that kind of things is everywhere.

France is dying, because France can't have a private sector because of its regulations.

The fun part is, now that France is in the neo-liberal EU, France is dismantling its super-big-yet-working-ok public sector to make place for private companies... That can't exist because of regulations.

France is dying to me. As an 18-yo, I'm seriously concerned on what to do for my future. The country has a super good education system (I would easily say the best in the world, by far) (just check out the ENS's Nobel prize / admissions ratio) but has no companies where people do any work. Most of the brilliant French minds go to work in other countries where it's possible to create and operate a company.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Honestly, this reads as those books titled "How to make money selling books on Amazon". Living in France, I can tell, France is very startup hostile. The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd. The only way a small tech company can make any money and be sustainable (let alone grow) is having all employees as associates (with all the organization…

> The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd.

How much are taxes if you live in SF again? Or NY?

> is having all employees as associates... otherwise literally more than half of the salary is gone in taxes

The income tax rates in France in 2020 are as follows: Up to €10,064: 0% €10,064–€25,659: 11% €25,659–€73,369: 30% €73,369–€157,806: 41% €157,806+: 45%

Source https://www.expatica.com/fr/finance/taxes/a-guide-to-taxes-i...

+ social fees, so for a salary of 100k you're getting back 65k approximately https://taxleak.com/france/?salary=100000 (though yes the employer needs to add some more to this value)

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