Soul Meets Body: An initial examination of the Samkhya school
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Soul Meets Body: An initial examination of the Samkhya school
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#2Hindu philosophy is the template for a way of life and the key theme that is most common and recurring is the Sattva-Rajas-Tamas Gunas. I look at it as the earliest attempt to take a stab at diversity. Not on the basis of colour or caste or language but diversity of human nature/instincts as it were...caste system, for example, arose out of these division. As did mythology and astrology. Without the division of humans on the basis of their instincts, we’d have no way to codify the different philosophies for everyone.
Diversity is about division and accepting that there are differences amongst us that separates us as individuals. I often feel like diversity as a word has been hijacked by the English language. Diversity exists only because it celebrates differences. If there are differences, there will be hierarchies. It means that we are all NOT the same. How can you celebrate that we are all different and then deny that that differences will manifest itself as a hierarchy? That doesn’t make sense at all.
I grew up listening to mythology from my grandfather. One of the striking things about the gods in Hinduism is that they see no difference between humans, demons and the ‘good’ celestials. There is a hierarchy even amongst gods. I remember asking him why the gods give boons to both the good guys and bad guys. The gods treat everyone equally. That doesn’t make sense.
And he said that it’s because we have all the gods and demons inside us and they all want to come out and live vicariously through us..and we get to choose which god or demon we choose to release. And we do it through worship. Maybe one can worship the goddess of music(Saraswati) or of wealth(Lakshmi) or destruction(Kali). It’s still our choice. And they all live within us. It’s the choice that causes dualism. “I want knowledge. I don’t want poverty. I want beauty. I don’t want injustice.’ Etc. our thoughts and instincts invite and welcome our inner gods and demons to live the human life through our actions. non dualism says that in the end..nothing matters anyways..because we are all that. And we are none of it. God and karma are just cherry on top extras.
It is a constant churn of attempts to diversify and then assimilate and then differentiate again. Rinse and repeat. We can’t escape this pattern because statis will set in after churn and equilibrium is fleeting.
That we call equilibrium or that fleeting moment of stability is what’s illusion or maya. Neither joy nor sorrow..ignorance or enlightenment is permanent. Life follows death and death is guaranteed after life. The churn never stops.
The nirvana or moksha hack is to slow down the entropy and make that fleeting moment seem to last forever. The Now is Forever. The Moment becomes Infinite.
I don’t necessarily accept the western interpretation of samkhya philosophy as ‘atheistic’. Hindu philosophy and religion is codified to reach as many people as possible as a way of life, not bonded faith. Theism is a layer as is atheism and both have its place in multilayered ancient Hindu philosophy.
The Hindu gods are manifestations of the three Gunas. Dualism is picking one of the three Gunas. Non dualism is accepting all the divisions in the soul that culminates as ‘a god’.
This is a good read. Much better than western interpretations of Samkhya and Vedanta etc that I find very ignorant and limited in its grasp of symbolic language.
I am troubled by any definitive interpretation. Hindu philosophy is meant for debate and discussion as a way to unravel layers of Self. It’s interpretation is unique and personal to each individual to suit their particular life circumstance. Contemplation is a beautiful thing. Thanks for the share.
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#3I have thought about it a lot, and I think the main reason is that there is no single doctrine / school that everyone agreed upon in the past. I see this is as the pinnacle of free-thinking. The seeming consensus among people who follow Abrahamic religions has provided the functionality to conserve itself in some tangible form.
Whereas the meaning of Hinduism is just lost, because there is no religion single religion as such. Nothing comes close to the deep thought and inspection that philosophers (sages/rishis whatever you want to name them) of the ancient India. All their "work" has been hidden under layers of what people assume is just religious "stuff".
Carl Jung, Nikola Tesla and innumerable people have invested time in discovering their true essence.
The concept of "religion", "spirituality", "god" carry a lot weight, especially in the modern world. I myself (being a Hindu), assumed that all that was present in Vedic texts was just references to god, different kinds of gods, different rituals etc. And as a modern day human, I just assumed that these are just things of the past and now we are evolved enough to ignore these concepts and move towards the future.
And I was proved entirely wrong when I started reading The Upanishads, which are part of the Vedic literature. The concepts are so abstract that different schools/sub-religions spawned just on the basis of different interpretations. Roughly dualistic and non-dualistic interpretations.
I can go on and on about my discovery. In fact I am writing about this here: https://pulkitsharma07.github.io/2020/06/25/source-0/
I am really happy to see this post on HN, hoping this doesn't get flagged.
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#4Samkhya school of thought makes space for non-deism and subscribe to duality. This is unique because dualism has always been associated with worship of the god head as often embraced by Vaishnavite sects. Samkhya offers a different perspective. The non deistic approach in Vedanta(the non dualism school of thought that is the opposite of samkhya school) is less significant than probably the Mimamsa school. All six ast…
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#6Well written, I am on my personal journey to discover what being a Hindu means. I am appalled by the fact that the true knowledge and the diversity of different schools and line of thoughts has been dissolved and sublimated into a crude understanding of what Hinduism means. I have thought about it a lot, and I think the main reason is that there is no single doctrine / school that everyone agreed upon in the past. I…
Well, that's always a given when you look at a culture from outside. It takes time to uncover the details and the diversity.
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#7Well written, I am on my personal journey to discover what being a Hindu means. I am appalled by the fact that the true knowledge and the diversity of different schools and line of thoughts has been dissolved and sublimated into a crude understanding of what Hinduism means. I have thought about it a lot, and I think the main reason is that there is no single doctrine / school that everyone agreed upon in the past. I…
> I am appalled by the fact that the true knowledge and the diversity of different schools and line of thoughts has been dissolved and sublimated into a crude understanding of what Hinduism means. Well, that's always a given when you look at a culture from outside. It takes time to uncover the details and the diversity.
In this particular case, everyone is looking from "outside." Contemporary Hindus' own understandings of the religion are largely filtered through the modernist interpretations of reformers in the 19th and 20th centuries. They're somewhat divorced from the classical bardic and collegiate traditions that the various Hindu practices were originally developed through. It's not quite as divorced from the source as things like pagan reconstructionist movements trying to rebuild druidic practices, but it's not entirely an organic and internally driven process of evolution either. Western colonialism and the the disruptive Islamic conflicts that preceded it all have an impact.
The modernist reformers were mostly trying to condense Hinduism into a format that made sense to Abrahamic religions, so a lot of nuance got lost in the overall understanding of it. There are still plenty of local temples and village/caste traditions that are practiced they're not really systematized or written down for people to study and understand and they're usually ignored in discussions of the overarching concepts of what "Hinduism" is for that reason.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am appalled by the fact that the true knowledge and the diversity of different schools and line of thoughts has been dissolved and sublimated into a crude understanding of what Hinduism means. Well, that's always a given when you look at a culture from outside. It takes time to uncover the details and the diversity.
> Well, that's always a given when you look at a culture from outside. It takes time to uncover the details and the diversity. In this particular case, everyone is looking from "outside." Contemporary Hindus' own understandings of the religion are largely filtered through the modernist interpretations of reformers in the 19th and 20th centuries. They're somewhat divorced from the classical bardic and collegiate tradi…
E.g. Brahmo Samaj, that sort of thing? What other reformers you have in mind?
I'm curious where would you put Aurobindo in this context. He's definitely "modernist", but he stuck to the Vedas quite a lot.
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#10Samkhya school of thought makes space for non-deism and subscribe to duality. This is unique because dualism has always been associated with worship of the god head as often embraced by Vaishnavite sects. Samkhya offers a different perspective. The non deistic approach in Vedanta(the non dualism school of thought that is the opposite of samkhya school) is less significant than probably the Mimamsa school. All six ast…