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One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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I'm curious as to how these tests compare to the US SAT. You can take the SAT multiple times and submit your best attempt. In this story, the test seems one and done. You get 1 attempt and you either get in, or you don't.

Also reminds me of the story from India like 1 or 2 years ago where a test had faulty answers and people thought they didn't get into university because of that

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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I'm curious as to how these tests compare to the US SAT. You can take the SAT multiple times and submit your best attempt. In this story, the test seems one and done. You get 1 attempt and you either get in, or you don't. Also reminds me of the story from India like 1 or 2 years ago where a test had faulty answers and people thought they didn't get into university because of that

This test is absolutely brutal compared to the SAT. Imagine if US students were subjected to three days of testing, eight hours each day, that included all the SAT II subjects plus regular SAT subject matter. Oh, and throw in a whole section on Middle English, too.

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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> Her case is just one of 242 student identity thefts that took place in Shandong province between 2002 and 2009, according to recent media reports.

Either there haven't been many cases or not many have been revealed. But why only until 2009?

> Local authorities have launched an investigation into Chen Chunxiu's case and 46 people have been punished.

That's a lot of people necessary to steal an identity!

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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I'm curious as to how these tests compare to the US SAT. You can take the SAT multiple times and submit your best attempt. In this story, the test seems one and done. You get 1 attempt and you either get in, or you don't. Also reminds me of the story from India like 1 or 2 years ago where a test had faulty answers and people thought they didn't get into university because of that

This test is absolutely brutal compared to the SAT. Imagine if US students were subjected to three days of testing, eight hours each day, that included all the SAT II subjects plus regular SAT subject matter. Oh, and throw in a whole section on Middle English, too.

In Brazil, you're tested on 10+ subjects, ~half of which are open questions and the other half are multiple choice, plus an essay.

Which subject goes in each of those categories depends on the major you're applying for, so you have to decide what you'll want to study in university at age ~17 (or prior to that, really, when you're 15 in High School so you can focus your studies on the harder questions). For instance, if you want to go to Med School (which is an undergrad course in Brazil), you need to know all things Biology, from Nemathelminthes to the Krebs Cycle. Conversely, if you want to go Law School (also undergrad) or major in History, you'll need to know everything that happened between Plato and Gorbachev including really in-depth stuff on Brazilian history. The problem is, all of the High School classes are the same regardless of your intended exam – you have to learn all of the above for school along with everyone else.

And you get to take the same exam for each university you apply to, meaning you basically spend a year taking exams at various dates for all the good universities. Each major has X number of spots available to candidates, to the top X scores get in. Your extracurriculars, who you are as a person, anything on your resume is irrelevant. All that matters is your score.

Want to switch majors? Gotta drop out, take the exam again and restart your university life.

The SAT by comparison is an absolute joke of an exam

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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This story reminds me of the stories that were common on my country of origin in South America. We had free high level education, but there was a system rigged to preserve nepotism. I was in Russia for the World Cup in 2018 and heard the same crap.

The US has evolved a similar rigging for our privileged. We supply various obscure sports accolades that can be purchased for the children of wealthy families to obtain admission to our leading universities. Unfortunately our schemes have also been exposed and a number of people are being prosecuted. So for the moment one must resort to investing in rather costly facility construction or similar expansion projects while we develop low cost alternatives to replace the now compromised schemes.

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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This story reminds me of the stories that were common on my country of origin in South America. We had free high level education, but there was a system rigged to preserve nepotism. I was in Russia for the World Cup in 2018 and heard the same crap.

The US has evolved a similar rigging for our privileged. We supply various obscure sports accolades that can be purchased for the children of wealthy families to obtain admission to our leading universities. Unfortunately our schemes have also been exposed and a number of people are being prosecuted. So for the moment one must resort to investing in rather costly facility construction or similar expansion projects wh…

I’m not sure that a fraud committed against the universities that the universities did not know about counts as a rigged system.

Or are you talking about something else?

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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> Her case is just one of 242 student identity thefts that took place in Shandong province between 2002 and 2009, according to recent media reports. Either there haven't been many cases or not many have been revealed. But why only until 2009? > Local authorities have launched an investigation into Chen Chunxiu's case and 46 people have been punished. That's a lot of people necessary to steal an identity!

Perhaps they're discovered stochastically, so the number of known recent ones is much lower than the number of known unrecent ones.
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