ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
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Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#2Most relevant part:
"Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings."
I wonder if the Harvard decision today will be modified in response to this. I imagine their international students, especially in graduate studies, must be highly impacted.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#3I had hoped my university (Brown) would follow Harvard's suit and err on the side of remote instruction this coming year. With this policy announcement, the chances of that dwindle.
Brown had made special accommodations to allow their international students to remain in dorms over this summer. By eliminating extraneous travel, these accommodations were in the best interest of both these students and the general public. Who is served by expelling them!?
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#4This has become so absolutely stupid at this point. I can even maybe understand this for future admissions. But from the messaging it looks like they want to deport students who came after a valid visa process. This is just absurd.
I hope unis do a hybrid thing like CMU, otherwise it is a lot of pain for students who are already here.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#5This will further encourage universities to offer in-person instruction. Paying top dollar for a sub-par online education is not what students are after.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#6Most relevant part: "Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings." I wonder if the Harvard decision today will be modified in response to t…
Probably international students will now attend in person classes and others will be fully remote.
Weird to even think that such drastic changes are all happening during a pandemic.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#7This is intended to punish foreign students - either move to an unsafe university or get out and reset your visa. With a government that’s decided to block visa applications arbitrarily.
Alternatively universities have to reopen to people so that it looks like they agree with the absurd demands of the current administration to open earlier than they should.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#8As some have pointed out elsewhere, the idea that "they can just do the courses remotely from their home country" has some issues:
- live classes may happen in the middle of the night
- tools like GSuite are blocked in China
- internet connection quality varies
Given the amount of revenue foreign students bring in, this seems like the admin is using access to those students as a lever to force schools to reopen prematurely.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#9Most relevant part: "Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings." I wonder if the Harvard decision today will be modified in response to t…
Probably international students will now attend in person classes and others will be fully remote. Weird to even think that such drastic changes are all happening during a pandemic.
International students attend classes in separate rooms, looking at live video feed.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#10Most relevant part: "Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings." I wonder if the Harvard decision today will be modified in response to t…
Probably international students will now attend in person classes and others will be fully remote. Weird to even think that such drastic changes are all happening during a pandemic.
Agree. I wonder what is the rationale for all this. Other than plain old xenophobia.
Will this reduce pandemic ? No, it will incentivize colleges to offer in-person classes promoting COVID.
Will this reduce students on non-immigration visas ? Not sure it does (students might find in-person classes somewhere). Some students might just say 'fuck it' and study elsewhere. Maybe that's good for them.
Will this reduce unemployment? Maybe. But I'm doubtful. Most F1 students are barred from working off campus other than internships, and I doubt on-campus work and internships make a dent in unemployment.