Node.js homepage

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Post by feross » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 8:22 PM UTC

Node.js homepage
nodejs.org

Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by stormdennis » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 8:59 PM UTC

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we fully recognize that white supremacy and police brutality is a global problem.

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It would be wrong for us to ignore the unearned privilege that exists in Node.js: much of the project leadership is white, and a majority are men. We are and have been systematically complicit in perpetuating the issues that led to where we are now.

Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 9:02 PM UTC

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Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by stormdennis » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 9:03 PM UTC

stormdennis wrote: post #2

Quote: we fully recognize that white supremacy and police brutality is a global problem. ... It would be wrong for us to ignore the unearned privilege that exists in Node.js: much of the project leadership is white, and a majority are men. We are and have been systematically complicit in perpetuating the issues that led to where we are now.

Just a white problem? In China there's a TV ad for washing powder that turns a Black man into a Chinese man.

Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by 5ociety » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 9:05 PM UTC

I actually think most of what's going on right now is an outrage and am strongly against the black lives matter movement. Note, I am not a racist person I just have not seen evidence within several orders of magnitude to warrant this wreckless behavior.

node.js has about as much business making political statements like these as it does trying to make npm the defacto package manager for client-side JavaScript.

Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by Escapado » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 9:19 PM UTC

I'm confused by some comments here. Speaking out about one evil isn't warranted if there is another that could also be addressed? This flavor of whataboutism is not helping anyone is it? I am not sure who is harmed in them talking about inclusion and recognition of people who have suffered systemic disadvantage or loss. They are not rallying people up to riot. And even if you don't like the violence which happens at some protests (which I wouldn't like either) there is much more to the idea than the riots which everyone is so focused on. Discrediting the movement because of violence caused by few is a shallow perspective which doesn't address the problem that the movement wanted to solve in the first place.

edit: I see comments vanishing in case anyone is wondering who I was referring to

Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by spikefromspace » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 9:24 PM UTC

Escapado wrote: post #6

I'm confused by some comments here. Speaking out about one evil isn't warranted if there is another that could also be addressed? This flavor of whataboutism is not helping anyone is it? I am not sure who is harmed in them talking about inclusion and recognition of people who have suffered systemic disadvantage or loss. They are not rallying people up to riot. And even if you don't like the violence which happens at…

I totally agree. Choosing to focus on a subset of the problem first does not discredit the whole problem. I would have thought tech workers would understand this better than the rest.

Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by spikefromspace » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 9:28 PM UTC

5ociety wrote: post #5

I actually think most of what's going on right now is an outrage and am strongly against the black lives matter movement. Note, I am not a racist person I just have not seen evidence within several orders of magnitude to warrant this wreckless behavior. node.js has about as much business making political statements like these as it does trying to make npm the defacto package manager for client-side JavaScript.

Any person or organization can choose to make a political statement. Why not node.js?

In this case, I happen to agree with their statement and you don't. But, even if the opposite were true, I would still support the right for anyone to publicize their political beliefs.

Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by ponker » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 9:58 PM UTC

I don’t need to hear about BlackLivesMatter from the Node.js team. I really don’t like this modern world of people and organizations bringing their “whole selves” to every interaction.

Re: Node.js homepage

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Post by ng12 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 10:06 PM UTC

This feels really weird. I don't think it's a good idea for open source organizations to be political like this. I think getting more diversity of contributors to Node is a laudable goal but I don't see why those efforts can't be handled externally to the offical Node org.