A study out of thin air
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A study out of thin air
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Re: A study out of thin air
#2Summary: Because of one report in the Lancet By a shady corporation called Surgisphere the WHO stopped all further research into hydroxychloroquine.
The article makes a strong case the Surgisphere is shady and the study is badly made but other than timing (paper published 22, ban started 25th) the article does not provide any further information that the Surgisphere study was the source of the WHO decision.
I quoted the unsupported accusation below.
Instead of performing its own due diligence, the WHO immediately relied on an observational study cloaked in the reputation of the nearly 200-year old medical journal The Lancet.
Re: A study out of thin air
#3Summary: Because of one report in the Lancet By a shady corporation called Surgisphere the WHO stopped all further research into hydroxychloroquine. The article makes a strong case the Surgisphere is shady and the study is badly made but other than timing (paper published 22, ban started 25th) the article does not provide any further information that the Surgisphere study was the source of the WHO decision. I quoted…
And people scoff at reporters and journalists that they don't check their sources... Apparently almost nobody does. We have copy/paste information ecosphere.
Re: A study out of thin air
#4Summary: Because of one report in the Lancet By a shady corporation called Surgisphere the WHO stopped all further research into hydroxychloroquine. The article makes a strong case the Surgisphere is shady and the study is badly made but other than timing (paper published 22, ban started 25th) the article does not provide any further information that the Surgisphere study was the source of the WHO decision. I quoted…
And people scoff at reporters and journalists that they don't check their sources... Apparently almost nobody does. We have copy/paste information ecosphere.
I did some checking of a lecture by an expert in virology, and I found an error. There are a few facts that I couldn't figure out if they were supported by other sources.
It wasn't anything particularly intensive, just making sure the other sources said the same thing. But it was still a lot of work.
For most people, learning is a lot of work in and itself.
Re: A study out of thin air
#5Summary: Because of one report in the Lancet By a shady corporation called Surgisphere the WHO stopped all further research into hydroxychloroquine. The article makes a strong case the Surgisphere is shady and the study is badly made but other than timing (paper published 22, ban started 25th) the article does not provide any further information that the Surgisphere study was the source of the WHO decision. I quoted…
And people scoff at reporters and journalists that they don't check their sources... Apparently almost nobody does. We have copy/paste information ecosphere.
To be fair, finding out all the information about Surgisphere probably took a lot time. Working on free projects myself there just comes a point where I've spent all the energy I was willing to put into a piece of work.
Edit: Nevermind. The author of the article is the bit-coin investor how first tweeted about Chloroquine being a potential cure, https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-malaria-drug-may-fight-co...
Re: A study out of thin air
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
And people scoff at reporters and journalists that they don't check their sources... Apparently almost nobody does. We have copy/paste information ecosphere.
To be fair, finding out all the information about Surgisphere probably took a lot time. Working on free projects myself there just comes a point where I've spent all the energy I was willing to put into a piece of work. Edit: Nevermind. The author of the article is the bit-coin investor how first tweeted about Chloroquine being a potential cure, https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-malaria-drug-may-fight-co...
He's not the only one pointing this out, though: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/29/covid-19-surgi..., and the "study" is very easily verifiable as horseshit.
Re: A study out of thin air
#7Summary: Because of one report in the Lancet By a shady corporation called Surgisphere the WHO stopped all further research into hydroxychloroquine. The article makes a strong case the Surgisphere is shady and the study is badly made but other than timing (paper published 22, ban started 25th) the article does not provide any further information that the Surgisphere study was the source of the WHO decision. I quoted…
> the article does not provide any further information that the Surgisphere study was the source of the WHO decision
Genuine question: What else is it assumed WHO may have made the decision based on?
Re: A study out of thin air
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
And people scoff at reporters and journalists that they don't check their sources... Apparently almost nobody does. We have copy/paste information ecosphere.
I did some checking of a lecture by an expert in virology, and I found an error. There are a few facts that I couldn't figure out if they were supported by other sources. It wasn't anything particularly intensive, just making sure the other sources said the same thing. But it was still a lot of work. For most people, learning is a lot of work in and itself.
The whole point of peer-reviewed journals is to be a noise filter.
The scientific community purportedly polices itself.
Re: A study out of thin air
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did some checking of a lecture by an expert in virology, and I found an error. There are a few facts that I couldn't figure out if they were supported by other sources. It wasn't anything particularly intensive, just making sure the other sources said the same thing. But it was still a lot of work. For most people, learning is a lot of work in and itself.
The whole point of peer-reviewed journals is to be a noise filter. The scientific community purportedly polices itself.
The errors are indeed found, eventually, like this time. It's the expectancy of anything being completely "error free" from the start is simply false. Compare with
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23412482
Look at the all the infrastructure involved there, all the automatic tests that exist in the originating infrastructure, and still only 1) an independent fuzzing test by the company with the most computers in the world 2) the work of the leader of another project; bring "medial" attention to the existence of the problem.
Nothing can be always perfect in the first try.
In science specifically, the "intentional frauds" aren't the starting assumption of those who do review, that's why the frauds manage to pass the checks that do work most of the time.
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it." Johnatan Swift (1667-1745)
Re: A study out of thin air
#10Summary: Because of one report in the Lancet By a shady corporation called Surgisphere the WHO stopped all further research into hydroxychloroquine. The article makes a strong case the Surgisphere is shady and the study is badly made but other than timing (paper published 22, ban started 25th) the article does not provide any further information that the Surgisphere study was the source of the WHO decision. I quoted…
WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus directly pointed out the Lancet paper in a press conference as the reason to pause the trials and start a safety review. You can see the video here: https://time.com/5842264/hydroxychloroquine-testing-who/