The Day AppGet Died

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Post by kayone » Mon, May 25, 2020, 9:15 PM UTC

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by rvz » Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:14 PM UTC

And then there were those who said Microsoft "has changed". Time and time again, their entire plan was to "use open-source" and "free" incentives to get into the developer market.

Unless it is a hardware or a software project of the scale of Chromium or GitHub with millions of users, there is nothing that can stop Microsoft from rolling their own version. This unfortunately just confirms that once again.

Typical EEE here.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by nailer » Wed, May 27, 2020, 6:59 AM UTC

> I’m sorry that the pm position didn’t work out. I wanted to take the time to tell you how much we appreciated your input and insights.

They didn't get back to him, but MS recruitment folks (who work at some sourcing firm and generally don't care about their role) have been known to do that.

Why didn't he chase them though?

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by nailer » Wed, May 27, 2020, 12:01 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #2

And then there were those who said Microsoft "has changed". Time and time again, their entire plan was to "use open-source" and "free" incentives to get into the developer market. Unless it is a hardware or a software project of the scale of Chromium or GitHub with millions of users, there is nothing that can stop Microsoft from rolling their own version. This unfortunately just confirms that once again. Typical EEE…

Microsoft did roll their own version, but it's Open Source: https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli/tree/master/src

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by bb010g » Wed, May 27, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #2

And then there were those who said Microsoft "has changed". Time and time again, their entire plan was to "use open-source" and "free" incentives to get into the developer market. Unless it is a hardware or a software project of the scale of Chromium or GitHub with millions of users, there is nothing that can stop Microsoft from rolling their own version. This unfortunately just confirms that once again. Typical EEE…

This isn't embrace, extend, extinguish, at least at the AppGet scope:

• Embrace: Microsoft privately contacted the single primary developer of AppGet (a package manager; libre, copyleft, Apache-2.0) about potential employment.

• Extend: Microsoft implemented WinGet (a package manager; libre, permissive, MIT) privately on their own, borrowing from AppGet's architecture (design-wise, not code- or library-wise).

• Extinguish: Microsoft publicly unveiled WinGet after providing advanced notice to two external parties, the development teams of the existing Windows package managers Chocolatey (which commercially sells functionality WinGet doesn't subsume) and AppGet (i.e. one person).

None of these are EEE, except arguably Extinguish with AppGet. But you're moving in that case from an Apache-2.0 licensed solution to a MIT licensed solution, when modern Microsoft has proven to have decent respect for their permissively licensed source releases. This is a phyrric victory for AppGet.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by kayone » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:19 PM UTC

nailer wrote: post #3

> I’m sorry that the pm position didn’t work out. I wanted to take the time to tell you how much we appreciated your input and insights. They didn't get back to him, but MS recruitment folks (who work at some sourcing firm and generally don't care about their role) have been known to do that. Why didn't he chase them though?

To be honest, after a year of constantly having to follow up and not hearing back, it gets exhausting. Also, I did follow up on Feb with the HR rep due to some expense issues, Also asked them about the update on the interview. She promised someone will get back to me. Which obviously never happened.