The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
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Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#2My conspiracy theory hat comes out every time a large US company seems to stand up against the government for the privacy of their users and wins. I always assume the company secretly gave the government what they asked for, and the government agreed to play along for marketing purposes.
I suppose that the boring truth is that Facebook just used it's vast financial resources to protect itself in a way that lavabit never could
Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#3I don't understand how it's possible that the _public_ government can make precedent-setting judgements like this and classify the rationale from the public. Like, I'm not asking for Facebook's trade secrets or classified info. Redact that, and then share the entire case that we funded with our tax dollars.
Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#4Conjectures:
The method required to MitM the MS-13 gang Messenger would require writing a special set of code (a la Apple iPhone incident), which fails the burden test.
Some legal justification why Facebook is not a carrier, in case of voice com.
Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#5Because you live in a lawless oligarchy that has been rubber stamping the rich's laws for 2 straight centuries. See the endless extension of copyright.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act#/...
Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#6I don't understand how it's possible that the _public_ government can make precedent-setting judgements like this and classify the rationale from the public. Like, I'm not asking for Facebook's trade secrets or classified info. Redact that, and then share the entire case that we funded with our tax dollars.
We do not know who asked for this to be sealed yet.
It is possible FB asked because it had to make presentations that included IP.
Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#7I don't understand how it's possible that the _public_ government can make precedent-setting judgements like this and classify the rationale from the public. Like, I'm not asking for Facebook's trade secrets or classified info. Redact that, and then share the entire case that we funded with our tax dollars.
We do not know who asked for this to be sealed yet. It is possible FB asked because it had to make presentations that included IP.
> I'm not asking for Facebook's trade secrets or classified info. Redact that...
Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#8My conspiracy theory hat comes out every time a large US company seems to stand up against the government for the privacy of their users and wins. I always assume the company secretly gave the government what they asked for, and the government agreed to play along for marketing purposes. I suppose that the boring truth is that Facebook just used it's vast financial resources to protect itself in a way that lavabit ne…
The former seems so much more likely to me. Probably because my German teacher had us watch ["The Lives of Others"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others) and at this point it would be absolutely insane to imagine that the obsession with power that exists in the government would fail to find a way to read data that's literally stored on someone else's computer where you could never tell if it's been read. Seems like a no brainer, but without proof most people would rather just call it a grey area. Which is a fine enough narrative. Doesn't change much either way.
Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#9My conspiracy theory hat comes out every time a large US company seems to stand up against the government for the privacy of their users and wins. I always assume the company secretly gave the government what they asked for, and the government agreed to play along for marketing purposes. I suppose that the boring truth is that Facebook just used it's vast financial resources to protect itself in a way that lavabit ne…
The former seems so much more likely to me. Probably because my German teacher had us watch ["The Lives of Others"]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others ) and at this point it would be absolutely insane to imagine that the obsession with power that exists in the government would fail to find a way to read data that's literally stored on someone else's computer where you could never tell if it's been rea…
Except that we have proof, at least as far as the US Government is concerned. Snowden provided us with proof in abundance that they will "find a way". How anyone can consider this a gray area in 2020 is beyond me.
Re: The ACLU wants to know why Facebook beat a 2018 wiretap case
#10Why can't these news articles link to the briefs or provide a case number or anything? They didn't even say what freakin' court they were in directly! I know it's the 9th circuit based on the description, but where was the original case heard? Arg!
Edit: Fortunatly the 9th circuit is actually pretty good with youtube, which made this easy to find:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6SeGJQjqyA
19-15472 ACLU Foundation v. USDOJ