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Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness.

This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase.

Been watching the studies closely though!

How is rainews as a source? This article is saying mild symptoms recovered at home have permanent lung damage and divers cannot dive anymore.

edit: if anyone misread my quotes as personal opinion, they're not. It is unproductive to offer counterpoints here because you need to do that on your Facebook and Whatsapp groups if your filter bubbles even allow you to see people that say the things in quotes. This post is merely acknowledging filter bubbles exist, in the author's community it is "undisputed", in different communities it is quite disputed you can see it on the comment section anywhere. I know its hard to read things that don't match your talking points verbatim, but save the copypasta and read what I wrote.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

Earlier citation: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recovery-damage-...

This is not 'new' information, and the situation is evolving. Many scientists have indicated that similar virus affects can take between 7 and 20 years to completely heal. But there's not enough information yet.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

>How is rainews as a source?

Seems to be part of RAI Italia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_Italia).

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

RAI is Italy's state-owned TV channel(s).

It's controlled by the party that is governing, and has all the problems of anything that is state-run, including a huge potential for inefficiencies, bureaucracy, and at times corruption.

Given the quality level of the "experts" used by the government in this pandemic, I wouldn't give it any credit.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

> wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea

It won't happen until some significant proportion of the population has had someone related to them or personally known to them die.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

>we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase.

No, we are not. Young and healthy people are dying too. And that's with global confinement taking place. Just imagine in what kind of hell we would be if people were still roaming around freely; heaps of people would die just because they wouldn't have access to sanitary devices (ventilators, for instance) nor medicine. In any case, if you had a close relative suffering from cancer who would otherwise live more than a year if they didn't get the virus, you wouldn't spout such bullshit. Same thing goes for your next uninformed statement:

>the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase.

Yeah, no.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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post #4

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

> How is rainews as a source? Seems to be part of RAI Italia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_Italia ).

RAI is the Italian state broadcaster, ie similar to NPR.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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post #8

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

>we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase. No, we are not. Young and healthy people are dying too. And that's with global confinement taking place. Just imagine in what kind of hell we would be if people were still roaming around freely; heaps of people would die just because they wouldn't have access to sanitary devices (ventilators, for instance) nor medicine. In any case, if…

> Young and healthy people are dying too

A datapoint against that: We have a renowned pathologist in Hamburg (Prof Püschel) who examines every corona death in the city - about 60 so far. He was quoted multiple times that every single victim had severe preexisting conditions. And that none of them would have lived another year.

He also challenged the idea that healthy/young people are in danger and gave the example of a young (I think ~30 yo) corona victim in Hamburg who actually had undiscovered severe illness.

edit: So this will get -4'd soon - okay :o

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