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French brotherhood burying the dead since 1188

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Re: French brotherhood burying the dead since 1188

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Post by Renaud »

It's a shame that for every heart-warming story of people being selfless there are ten of people being selfish.

In times like theses, fraternity and some humility are probably some of the most valuable traits that can help communities get through.

Contrast that with the baffling displays of people defying and protesting lockdowns en masse because they think it's a bit too much...

Re: French brotherhood burying the dead since 1188

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Post by p1necone »

Renaud wrote: post #3

It's a shame that for every heart-warming story of people being selfless there are ten of people being selfish. In times like theses, fraternity and some humility are probably some of the most valuable traits that can help communities get through. Contrast that with the baffling displays of people defying and protesting lockdowns en masse because they think it's a bit too much...

This behavior all makes perfect sense when you realize these people just lack empathy. "I'm not sick, I should be able to do whatever I want"

Re: French brotherhood burying the dead since 1188

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Post by plerpin »

p1necone wrote: post #4
Renaud wrote: post #3

It's a shame that for every heart-warming story of people being selfless there are ten of people being selfish. In times like theses, fraternity and some humility are probably some of the most valuable traits that can help communities get through. Contrast that with the baffling displays of people defying and protesting lockdowns en masse because they think it's a bit too much...

This behavior all makes perfect sense when you realize these people just lack empathy. " I'm not sick, I should be able to do whatever I want"

Normally, folks in leadership positions behave as role models which make their population aspire to act better.

Now...

Re: French brotherhood burying the dead since 1188

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Post by drewcoo »

p1necone wrote: post #4
Renaud wrote: post #3

It's a shame that for every heart-warming story of people being selfless there are ten of people being selfish. In times like theses, fraternity and some humility are probably some of the most valuable traits that can help communities get through. Contrast that with the baffling displays of people defying and protesting lockdowns en masse because they think it's a bit too much...

This behavior all makes perfect sense when you realize these people just lack empathy. " I'm not sick, I should be able to do whatever I want"

Those people protesting don't go to protest parties every weekend. It's not a substitute for sportsball. The fact that they don't usually protest is a clue that they're not actually doing whatever they want.

With a little empathy, that behavior makes sense. They'd rather take what they consider an indefinite but small risk of dying to gather in protest instead of taking a definite looming risk of losing everything, failing their families, and losing all self-respect.

But I understand that many people here haven't thought about that. And the news doesn't present it that way.

Re: French brotherhood burying the dead since 1188

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Post by rumanator »

drewcoo wrote: post #6
p1necone wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This behavior all makes perfect sense when you realize these people just lack empathy. " I'm not sick, I should be able to do whatever I want"

Those people protesting don't go to protest parties every weekend. It's not a substitute for sportsball. The fact that they don't usually protest is a clue that they're not actually doing whatever they want. With a little empathy, that behavior makes sense. They'd rather take what they consider an indefinite but small risk of dying to gather in protest instead of taking a definite looming risk of losing everything, f…

> Those people protesting don't go to protest parties every weekend.

Those who only think of themselves tend to pull this sort of stunt every time they feel personally affected.

Thus those people might not typically go to protest parties because a pandemic is not typical. That's about it.

> They'd rather take what they consider an indefinite but small risk of dying

That's precisely the narcissist and egotistical attitude that's being criticised.

They feel that as the disease does not affect them personally then they should just not be inconvenienced in any way. But that misses the whole point, doesn't it? The point is not about you. The point is that your wreckless behavior puts everyone around you at risk, including those who covid19 threatens their lives. You might not die of covid19, but if you catch it and pass it to your grandma or some random old man from your neighborhood then they might die. That's why you need to get your add back home and wait.

Re: French brotherhood burying the dead since 1188

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Post by fxtentacle »

Renaud wrote: post #3

It's a shame that for every heart-warming story of people being selfless there are ten of people being selfish. In times like theses, fraternity and some humility are probably some of the most valuable traits that can help communities get through. Contrast that with the baffling displays of people defying and protesting lockdowns en masse because they think it's a bit too much...

Well, we live in tines where a role model of success might be the CEO who increased profit margins on t-shirts by 1%... (by accepting that some child laborers might die in an avoidable factory fire somewhere on the other side of the planet)

Or how about the savvy investor who looks the other way when it is being revealed that one of their portfolio companies polluted the environment on a massive scale.

These people might actually be applauded for their behavior in our society, despite them behaving like sociopaths.

Our role models and our definition of success are really weird.

Re: French brotherhood burying the dead since 1188

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Post by jpmoral »

drewcoo wrote: post #6
p1necone wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This behavior all makes perfect sense when you realize these people just lack empathy. " I'm not sick, I should be able to do whatever I want"

Those people protesting don't go to protest parties every weekend. It's not a substitute for sportsball. The fact that they don't usually protest is a clue that they're not actually doing whatever they want. With a little empathy, that behavior makes sense. They'd rather take what they consider an indefinite but small risk of dying to gather in protest instead of taking a definite looming risk of losing everything, f…

You forgot to mention they are also taking the risk of several other people dying or becoming seriously ill. But I understand you may not have thought of that.
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