Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
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Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#2Can we trust Italy's numbers? They're attributing any questionable death to corona to hide their embarrassing influenza death rate. This can almost explain USA's minuscule death toll at 500 (influenza season averages 200/day).
Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#3I'd like to note that so far we only know the mortality rate under the assumption that every patient that needs to be hospitalized (~18% of infected looking at NY's numbers) receives treatment. That is why the elderly and people with underlying health conditions are dying – they can't survive being in an ICU with a nasty disease a lot of the time.
Once we run out of beds and ventilators, the picture will look very different. I don't know about you, but I'm not old but I'd much rather be in a hospital if I have a nasty case of pneumonia, but we certainly can't fit 40-80% of the population in hospitals, let alone have enough health workers to treat them.
Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#4Can we trust Italy's numbers? They're attributing any questionable death to corona to hide their embarrassing influenza death rate. This can almost explain USA's minuscule death toll at 500 (influenza season averages 200/day).
I don’t think so.
Italy is counting ALL deaths as Covid deaths.
Their Covid numbers are simply incorrect.
Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#5Can we trust Italy's numbers? They're attributing any questionable death to corona to hide their embarrassing influenza death rate. This can almost explain USA's minuscule death toll at 500 (influenza season averages 200/day).
Do you have charts backing that 500 a day claim handy?
Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#6Can we trust Italy's numbers? They're attributing any questionable death to corona to hide their embarrassing influenza death rate. This can almost explain USA's minuscule death toll at 500 (influenza season averages 200/day).
I don’t think so. Italy is counting ALL deaths as Covid deaths. Their Covid numbers are simply incorrect.
Just curious, do you have a source?
Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#7Can we trust Italy's numbers? They're attributing any questionable death to corona to hide their embarrassing influenza death rate. This can almost explain USA's minuscule death toll at 500 (influenza season averages 200/day).
I don’t think so. Italy is counting ALL deaths as Covid deaths. Their Covid numbers are simply incorrect.
For a week I've been wondering about Germany's numbers. Maybe they are doing something wrong, or maybe it is China and Italy that are giving us bad data.
Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#8I'd like to note that so far we only know the mortality rate under the assumption that every patient that needs to be hospitalized (~18% of infected looking at NY's numbers) receives treatment. That is why the elderly and people with underlying health conditions are dying – they can't survive being in an ICU with a nasty disease a lot of the time. Once we run out of beds and ventilators, the picture will look very di…
I'm not sure what you are claiming.
This article would imply that Italy was coming closer to saturation on hospitals before this virus. Not claiming that this virus wasn't worse. The implication is they were closing to a topping point than elsewhere.
It does fit, in that so far Italy is the outlier, not anyone else. Japan, in particular, but also Norway, Germany, and most of the US.
I think Spain throws a but of a wrench at this, but don't have that looked at handily.
Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#9Fake news. Italy has one of the lowest mortality rates from Influenza.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza...
https://gateway.euro.who.int/en/hfa-explorer/#5o3t8K9BTb
https://championtraveler.com/news/the-us-flu-season-is-bad-t...
Re: Italy historically has had excess mortality for influenza
#10Can we trust Italy's numbers? They're attributing any questionable death to corona to hide their embarrassing influenza death rate. This can almost explain USA's minuscule death toll at 500 (influenza season averages 200/day).
Do you have charts backing that 500 a day claim handy?
~500 total. Still a far cry from business as usual flu @ 200/day.