One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
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One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
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Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#2I wouldn’t be surprised if during the next few years you saw a number of stories like this come out. From my talks with folks there isn’t as much oversight in the organic sector as we’re led to believe. That’s all hearsay so take it with a grain of salt.
Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#3I wouldn’t be surprised if during the next few years you saw a number of stories like this come out. From my talks with folks there isn’t as much oversight in the organic sector as we’re led to believe. That’s all hearsay so take it with a grain of salt.
Being from Ohio I knew quite a few farmers, or people that grew up on farms. They all laugh at organic and say it’s bullshit. There is typically no way to tell after the fact if something is or isn’t organic. Same with rBGH free dairy products.
Farmers have known for years that the label is only as good as the word of farmer, and with economic pressures to cheat, it’s not surprising to find cheaters.
Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#4From the article: “They can test for GMO (genetically modified organisms) … but corn that’s not GMO, you can’t tell whether it’s been sprayed or not sprayed.”
"Technically, you can, but you’re not likely to get a positive result unless the inspector hits it just right and collects a plant sample before the residues wash away."
Yes. See this Forbes article. By the time it reaches retail, you can't tell.[1]
Non-organic food is probably healthier. Less insect residue. Also cheaper.
[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensavage/2016/02/08/inconve...
Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#5From the article: “They can test for GMO (genetically modified organisms) … but corn that’s not GMO, you can’t tell whether it’s been sprayed or not sprayed.” "Technically, you can, but you’re not likely to get a positive result unless the inspector hits it just right and collects a plant sample before the residues wash away." Yes. See this Forbes article. By the time it reaches retail, you can't tell.[1] Non-organic…
> Non-organic food is probably healthier. Less insect residue.
Sorry, is "insect residue" a term of art? Any why would a bug's "residue" be unhealthy, exactly? (In particular in a way that would survive routine washing in a way that a pesticide would not?) I'd ask for a citation, but... yeah. You just made that up, right?
None of that should be taken as a particular defense of the US organic food regulation regime, which is indeed a big mess. But what you wrote was just silly.
Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#6I wouldn’t be surprised if during the next few years you saw a number of stories like this come out. From my talks with folks there isn’t as much oversight in the organic sector as we’re led to believe. That’s all hearsay so take it with a grain of salt.
Being from Ohio I knew quite a few farmers, or people that grew up on farms. They all laugh at organic and say it’s bullshit. There is typically no way to tell after the fact if something is or isn’t organic. Same with rBGH free dairy products. Farmers have known for years that the label is only as good as the word of farmer, and with economic pressures to cheat, it’s not surprising to find cheaters.
> There is typically no way to tell after the fact
Consumer Reports (and others) did studies that showed non-organic food have lots more pesticide residue than organic food. That of course doesn't mean they are better for you or that they are tastier.
Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#7I suspect many of his buyers weren't particularly concerned that he was 'defrauding' them. He probably sold at a discount and it gave them the label that they were consuming organic.
Also, the article is very hyperbolic. It's pretty standard in the industry to fudge when it comes to organic.
Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#8From the article: “They can test for GMO (genetically modified organisms) … but corn that’s not GMO, you can’t tell whether it’s been sprayed or not sprayed.” "Technically, you can, but you’re not likely to get a positive result unless the inspector hits it just right and collects a plant sample before the residues wash away." Yes. See this Forbes article. By the time it reaches retail, you can't tell.[1] Non-organic…
> Non-organic food is probably healthier. Less insect residue.
Not a foregone conclusion.
Reading the Forbes article, I wonder if the studies took organic food fraud into account, possibly even from Randy Constant.
Also, there are a lot of interests - very well funded interests - downplaying glyphosate and other herbicides/insecticides. The net effect would be to make non-organic food seem costly with fewer benefits.
Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#9"There’s no proof that the meat [from animals fed from fraudulently marked "organic" produce] is any better for you, but some people believe it is and others have philosophical or environmental reasons for preferring it."
Makes me wonder - who is the victim of this fraud?
Re: One of biggest frauds in U.S. farm history
#10"There’s no proof that the meat [from animals fed from fraudulently marked "organic" produce] is any better for you, but some people believe it is and others have philosophical or environmental reasons for preferring it." Makes me wonder - who is the victim of this fraud?
The animals, clearly