Why is Google so hysterically hypocritical about Bing using its public data?
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Re: Why is Google so hysterically hypocritical about Bing using its public data?
#2Google makes money out of being the #1 search engine. Concurrence from others is one thing. Concurrence from someone stealing your source code (open source or not) is a whole different story. That should be reason enough, in my humble opinion.
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#3I read half of this. Its late, and I don't have the time or energy to refute point by point every single wrong thing that is written in that half.
Its easy to sum up. Yes, Google indexes hundreds of millions of sites. It does so in order for other people to be able to search and find those sites, which is important to their owners. Its a symbiotic relationship, not theft of intellectual property.
Google has spent billions of dollars in manpower and physical capacity in order to be able to do that. Also, each and every one of those sites can very easily say "don't index me" with a simple robot.txt file on their site. Some do, most don't, because most sites find it valuable for Google to index them.
Meanwhile, Microsoft is trying to compete in the same space as Google. They are also spending lots of money and manpower to build their search engine. But, by using Google's search results to improve their own product, they are acting as a parasite. Google gets no benefit from Microsoft using their data.
So to sum up my own summary: Google is a mass symbiote, Microsoft is a parasite.
Re: Why is Google so hysterically hypocritical about Bing using its public data?
#4This is starting to get interesting.
Google makes money aggregating other people's content. What happens when people aggregate Google's content? What's fair?
Re: Why is Google so hysterically hypocritical about Bing using its public data?
#5Hmm. It might just be me, but I get the feeling that they aren't exactly fans of Google?!
Re: Why is Google so hysterically hypocritical about Bing using its public data?
#6This is starting to get interesting. Google makes money aggregating other people's content. What happens when people aggregate Google's content? What's fair?
Explain what you mean when you say that Google makes money by aggregating other people's content? Google makes money by indexing other people's content and driving traffic to other people's sites. That hardly seems like a bad thing.
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#7I read half of this. Its late, and I don't have the time or energy to refute point by point every single wrong thing that is written in that half. Its easy to sum up. Yes, Google indexes hundreds of millions of sites. It does so in order for other people to be able to search and find those sites, which is important to their owners. Its a symbiotic relationship, not theft of intellectual property. Google has spent bil…
Also websites can opt-out of having their content indexed.
How can Google opt-out of having its search index copied by Microsoft?
The funniest argument in this has been "Bing hasn't got the data, Google has an unfair advantage etc" as if Microsoft didn't exist before Google.
Microsoft have had years headstart to get their online division doing something worthwhile, but they still can't get it right.
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#8This is starting to get interesting. Google makes money aggregating other people's content. What happens when people aggregate Google's content? What's fair?
Explain what you mean when you say that Google makes money by aggregating other people's content? Google makes money by indexing other people's content and driving traffic to other people's sites. That hardly seems like a bad thing.
Google News is an aggregator, hence Rupert Murdoch's problem with it.
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#9I read half of this. Its late, and I don't have the time or energy to refute point by point every single wrong thing that is written in that half. Its easy to sum up. Yes, Google indexes hundreds of millions of sites. It does so in order for other people to be able to search and find those sites, which is important to their owners. Its a symbiotic relationship, not theft of intellectual property. Google has spent bil…
Also websites can opt-out of having their content indexed. How can Google opt-out of having its search index copied by Microsoft? The funniest argument in this has been "Bing hasn't got the data, Google has an unfair advantage etc" as if Microsoft didn't exist before Google. Microsoft have had years headstart to get their online division doing something worthwhile, but they still can't get it right.
Put up a terms of use or force users to accept a license agreement. They do no such thing today. So I think you'd have a hard time saying Microsoft has done anything legally wrong here.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also websites can opt-out of having their content indexed. How can Google opt-out of having its search index copied by Microsoft? The funniest argument in this has been "Bing hasn't got the data, Google has an unfair advantage etc" as if Microsoft didn't exist before Google. Microsoft have had years headstart to get their online division doing something worthwhile, but they still can't get it right.
Put up a terms of use or force users to accept a license agreement. They do no such thing today. So I think you'd have a hard time saying Microsoft has done anything legally wrong here.
They've done as much legally wrong as bundling IE with windows.
It's most certainly morally wrong.
I want to see a project started to r/e the bing toolbar, and create something to send rubbish data back to bing to screw up their search index. That'd be awesome to see.