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Bose headphones are basically a spyware on your head

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Re: Bose headphones are basically a spyware on your head

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*if you use their app.

You don't have to use their app for day-to-day usage via Bluetooth, however, they make it impossible to initially setup noise canceling functionality without the app.

I'm extremely grateful that the Bluetooth protocol is broken up into specific functions, so I know that if I connect my headphones/car/etc. via bt audio it can't also send data to the cloud through my phone.

Re: Bose headphones are basically a spyware on your head

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Yikes, this is really bad timing for Bose to get all this negative publicity.

See also https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/26/bose_firmware_borks...

Christmas shopping is coming and I sitting on the fence regarding new headphones, but I'm really unlikely to buy Bose now.

Re: Bose headphones are basically a spyware on your head

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post #2

*if you use their app. You don't have to use their app for day-to-day usage via Bluetooth, however, they make it impossible to initially setup noise canceling functionality without the app. I'm extremely grateful that the Bluetooth protocol is broken up into specific functions, so I know that if I connect my headphones/car/etc. via bt audio it can't also send data to the cloud through my phone.

I never used the app and the button to cycle noise cancelling through off/high/low works just fine. What am I missing?

Re: Bose headphones are basically a spyware on your head

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post #2

*if you use their app. You don't have to use their app for day-to-day usage via Bluetooth, however, they make it impossible to initially setup noise canceling functionality without the app. I'm extremely grateful that the Bluetooth protocol is broken up into specific functions, so I know that if I connect my headphones/car/etc. via bt audio it can't also send data to the cloud through my phone.

I never used the app and the button to cycle noise cancelling through off/high/low works just fine. What am I missing?

Most don't have that button.

Re: Bose headphones are basically a spyware on your head

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post #2

*if you use their app. You don't have to use their app for day-to-day usage via Bluetooth, however, they make it impossible to initially setup noise canceling functionality without the app. I'm extremely grateful that the Bluetooth protocol is broken up into specific functions, so I know that if I connect my headphones/car/etc. via bt audio it can't also send data to the cloud through my phone.

Not sure I’d be so trusting. “Bluetooth offers so many options for deployment that developers don't necessarily have full mastery of the available choices, which can result in faulty implementations. “ from Bluetooth's Complexity Has Become a Security Risk [0, 1]

And now we’ve got folks discussing “Using Web Bluetooth to communicate with Bluetooth devices” [2, 3].

[0] https://www.wired.com/story/bluetooth-complex-security-risk/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19956512 [2] https://www.balena.io/blog/using-web-bluetooth-to-communicat... [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21332283

Re: Bose headphones are basically a spyware on your head

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post #2

*if you use their app. You don't have to use their app for day-to-day usage via Bluetooth, however, they make it impossible to initially setup noise canceling functionality without the app. I'm extremely grateful that the Bluetooth protocol is broken up into specific functions, so I know that if I connect my headphones/car/etc. via bt audio it can't also send data to the cloud through my phone.

I never used the app and the button to cycle noise cancelling through off/high/low works just fine. What am I missing?

This is only on v2. v1 can't do this otherwise.

Re: Bose headphones are basically a spyware on your head

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post #4

Yikes, this is really bad timing for Bose to get all this negative publicity. See also https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/26/bose_firmware_borks... Christmas shopping is coming and I sitting on the fence regarding new headphones, but I'm really unlikely to buy Bose now.

Sony makes the best noise cancelling headphones/earphones now anyway. (assuming noise cancellation is important to you)