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Re: How to disrupt Wall Street

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A Cynical Theory: anyone with the power, money and government connections needed to disrupt Wall St. will choose instead to join Wall St. when the option is given to them. Fight the good fight or join the party? Those who aren't willing to make the right choice will be weeded out of the system before they are influential enough to disrupt. Any techniques used by outsiders who try to disrupt the party anyway will be made illegal through regulations, trademarks, patents, contract law or legislation drafted by lobbyists and rubber stamped by well-funded politicians.

I can think of a less cynical and more hopeful view too but I think it's something anyone entering this space needs to be aware of. I don't think it's a technology problem.

Re: How to disrupt Wall Street

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Firstly, the title is a misnomer. There's nothing here about how to disrupt Wall Street. It's all what needs to be done without knowing how.

Some thoughts:

Investing banking is an interesting case. On something like an IPO I see IBs as providing three benefits:

1. Navigating the significant regulatory hurdles;

2. Underwriting the offering; and

3. Marketing the offering.

(2) and (3) are related. (3) relies on them having clients with the money to invest in the IPO.

This isn't a simple issue of finding money. Part of a successful IPO is seeding the stock such that trading on the relevant market(s) is liquid.

Not that I'm saying disruption isn't possible but it is hard.

Investing in the stock market directly is, for most people, a sucker's game. The stock market is an insider's market. HFT is just one of many ways that the pros will take advantage of you.

Note: I quite deliberately differentiated between trading (short term) and investing long term. Long term investing reduces the significance of timing and transaction fees but individually picking stocks is still a risky business.

As for prop trading, for completeness I should point out that it is one model for market makers to trade for profit, paying for what is actually a valuable service. Market makers are commonly daemonized, unfairly IMHO. Market makers give you the liquidity to buy and sell whenever you want.

The other trading method is spread trading, basically making money off the bid-ask spread. The spread is basically inversely proportional to the size of the market. In smaller European markets, spread trading is still profitable. In the US government market (basically US Treasuries, possibly the largest market in the world) the spread is essentially zero so the only way to make money is prop trading. Prop trading means taking a position, betting on a particular outcome.

Arbitrage is another model but computerized trading system has greatly reduced the effectiveness of this. Arbitrage is buying some security on one market and simultaneously selling it on another for a higher price, pocketing the difference (eg buy gold in NY, sell it in HK).

As for mutual funds, they have been disrupted by ETFs (exchange traded funds), which greatly increase the liquidity of such investments and decrease transaction costs. Funds also like them because fund redemptions are a huge problem. Typically people take out and put in money at the wrong times. ETFs mean investors can get money out by simply selling them on the stockmarket.

Still, fund managers do make management fees.

Financial products are constantly changing. It's an area that, by its nature, must and does constantly innovate. For example, 10 years ago there was no way for retail investors to short stocks. Now? Most markets have CFDs (contracts for difference) that are a derivative that allows you to go long or short on a stock for a low amount of capital.

Research is an interesting one. Good analysis is a skill and requires access, something a name brand bank provides. That being said, it is an area rife with conflict of interest and late signals.

Retail banks have of course been somewhat disrupted by their online cousins.

Wall Street is constantly changing. It's an arms race where one side trades faster so all the other players do as well. Unfortunately, Wall Street enjoys significant government protection, much to our detriment (eg financial crises brought about, at least in part, by Wall Street having little to no aversion to risk, IMHO due to the almost guarantee of a bailout by the Fed if it goes south).

The most important area of the finance industry is retirement savings and here the US is extremely backward. Companies allowed to invest pensions in themselves, one part of a bank dragging down everything else with it and so on.

In Australia, for example, most people have individual superannuation accounts for retirement savings. There are very strict rules on what these funds can invest in. Such funds are separated from (and insulated against) whatever else happens to the financial institution. The funds are held in trust by third parties.

Re: How to disrupt Wall Street

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Yet another way to disrupt investment banks. Make every startup owner aware that the size of the "pop" on IPO day is the amount of money that the company failed to get and could have. Furthermore much of that money went to the investment bank that took you public, and that banker's close friends. In short, it is a form of theft.

Luckily there is an easy way to avoid this theft. And that is the Dutch auction IPO.

Note that Wall St really, really hates these. It took them some time to forgive Google for doing one. They result in less work for the investment banker, and avoid the hidden fee of having a first day pop.

Re: How to disrupt Wall Street

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On the plus side, the Internet has already dealt a mortal blow to one value-destroying participant: human brokers. (Anyone remember the bad old days where you had to talk to an actual human being to place a stock trade, and would be charged hundreds of dollars for doing so? And they would call you up and give you bad advice to maximize their churn in your account and, hence, their commissions?)

I loved Prosper (crowdsourced P2P loans), which was mentioned. However, the primary barrier to Prosper's success has not been regulation (a somewhat surprising statement, considering they were shut down for securities laws violations for the better part of a year). The primary barrier to Prosper's success is that their product is strictly inferior to credit cards for anyone who can get a credit card, which means you have an adverse selection problem for borrowers -- the only people who apply have either maxxed their cards or would never be given one in the first place. As a result lender returns are terrible -- many lose principal, and a huge majority underperform substantially risk-free investments like T-bills or CDs.

I'd love to see an innovative option for consumer or small business loans, but it has to compete with this deal: up to $15k delivered instantly (or in 2~4 days), 4% transaction fee, 1% interest for 12 months followed by ~15% interest for life. That what Bank of America will offer me -- right now, instantly, no-human-involved-whatsoever -- for a cash advance on my credit card. Could that deal be improved upon? Yes. But the fact that that deal is possible is, and I say this with no hint of exaggeration, a triumphant monument to the success of capitalism. Many of us Prosper lenders thought it would be easy to beat that with a little human touch. We were dead wrong.

Prosper's original model was, basically, I put on a two week dog-and-pony show on their loan auction page, attempting to convince fickle lenders that I am a good credit risk. In return, I get $X,000 less a 1.5% or so fee (can't remember -- it is higher now) deposited in my bank account about four weeks after the day I start the process, at whatever the auction came up with for an interest rate. In my case, it was 12%ish.

I got a Prosper loan, and all participants in it (Prosper, lenders, myself) benefited from it, but that was for the quirky edge case. The average case was murderous to lender returns.

Re: How to disrupt Wall Street

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post #7

Yet another way to disrupt investment banks. Make every startup owner aware that the size of the "pop" on IPO day is the amount of money that the company failed to get and could have. Furthermore much of that money went to the investment bank that took you public, and that banker's close friends. In short, it is a form of theft. Luckily there is an easy way to avoid this theft. And that is the Dutch auction IPO. Note…

/sigh, that simply isn't true.

1. IPO investors are taking on a risk by investing. For that they get a return. IPOs can drop on first day too.

2. The bank typically underwrites the IPO. That means if there is a shortfall, the bank kicks in the rest. That is a risk for which the bank gets a return.

3. By "close friends" you mean the bank's clients. If demand exceeds supply you can sure bet their best clients will be first in line.

4. A price band is determined ahead of time. Its required for the prospectus. Determining demand is aguessing game. Better to be oversubscribed than under.

5. Having the press of being oversubscribed is good for the bank and the company. Lookup the illusion of scarcity.

6. For the same reason a big day one jump is good for both and it sets the tone for the stock to the markets.

Auctions have been tried, famously with Google. Even then there was a big day one jump.

Re: How to disrupt Wall Street

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post #7

Yet another way to disrupt investment banks. Make every startup owner aware that the size of the "pop" on IPO day is the amount of money that the company failed to get and could have. Furthermore much of that money went to the investment bank that took you public, and that banker's close friends. In short, it is a form of theft. Luckily there is an easy way to avoid this theft. And that is the Dutch auction IPO. Note…

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