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Re: All Activities Monitored

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So this surveillance technology started in the military to track insurgents, expanded to law enforcement and government to track suspects and the general public, and is now expanding to corporations to monitor customers.

This pattern makes it seem like the cat is out of the bag, and that pervasive expansion and abuse of this technology is all but inevitable.

Let's extrapolate a bit and start thinking about what society will look like when this sort of surveillance is made available to the general public. Imagine a free, Google-Maps-like application that allows you to see individual people and rewind with half second resolution.

This would be such a massive wrench thrown into the gears of society that I'm having trouble coming up with anything coherent.

Re: All Activities Monitored

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"It's 10 PM. Do you know where your Congressman is?"

Heh. If we can't stop it we can at least exploit it, right?

All this surveillance and transparency might actually make things better iff we can force the government to be more transparent than the people. Imagine a government that is so well surveilled by the people that the people could trust it to surveil them in return. That doesn't seem to be where things are heading though.

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>The advent of this technology, combined with artificial intelligence and vast data banks, makes almost nonsensical the ideas of privacy and probable cause of an earlier age.

That's like saying that the invention of atomic weapons made almost nonsensical the idea of not being vaporized. The fact that I could be vaporized more easily now that at any time in history has nothing to do with my hardline anti-vaporization position, except possibly that it steels it.

Re: All Activities Monitored

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So this surveillance technology started in the military to track insurgents, expanded to law enforcement and government to track suspects and the general public, and is now expanding to corporations to monitor customers. This pattern makes it seem like the cat is out of the bag, and that pervasive expansion and abuse of this technology is all but inevitable. Let's extrapolate a bit and start thinking about what socie…

It seems like something many wealthy people will opt out of by living in communities that are organized around an interest in avoiding it/disallowing it.

I’m imagining planned communities that have much higher privacy standards even in their public spaces like shops and parks.

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So this surveillance technology started in the military to track insurgents, expanded to law enforcement and government to track suspects and the general public, and is now expanding to corporations to monitor customers. This pattern makes it seem like the cat is out of the bag, and that pervasive expansion and abuse of this technology is all but inevitable. Let's extrapolate a bit and start thinking about what socie…

It seems like something many wealthy people will opt out of by living in communities that are organized around an interest in avoiding it/disallowing it. I’m imagining planned communities that have much higher privacy standards even in their public spaces like shops and parks.

Are you thinking a technological solution to the wide net surveillance or policy?

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So this surveillance technology started in the military to track insurgents, expanded to law enforcement and government to track suspects and the general public, and is now expanding to corporations to monitor customers. This pattern makes it seem like the cat is out of the bag, and that pervasive expansion and abuse of this technology is all but inevitable. Let's extrapolate a bit and start thinking about what socie…

First thought... canopies, entire communities with public spaces covered with walkways, pools, parks, all under tent-like construction. Garages fully connected to houses, parking garages with interior building access preferred.

Do we have disruptive tech for larger public areas like parks, beaches, etc? Vapor or EM or even air curtain-like heat shimmer generators, anything that obscures line of sight...

Or maybe the next wave of disruption is cheap anti-sat missiles and mid-altitude AAA. Nasty future that, a half step toward Skynet scenarios.

Yuck.

I get the draw of an "Eagle Eye" type capability but too easily it turns into Project Insight and it's Hail Hydra time.

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> The advent of this technology, combined with artificial intelligence and vast data banks, makes almost nonsensical the ideas of privacy and probable cause of an earlier age. That's like saying that the invention of atomic weapons made almost nonsensical the idea of not being vaporized. The fact that I could be vaporized more easily now that at any time in history has nothing to do with my hardline anti-vaporization…

The reason why we haven't seen use of atomic weapons is that it's clear that use of atomic weapons will be met with more atomic weapons.

It's not clear that the state is worried about retaliation against wide area surveillance.

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