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New Study Documents Depleted Uranium Impacts on Children in Iraq

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Re: New Study Documents Depleted Uranium Impacts on Children in Iraq

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Looks like depleted uranium bullets probably have similar to effects to lead bullets. https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/the-toxicit...

when you say "lead bullets" do you mean gun bullets, or armor piercing bullets / projectiles? a normal bullet does not vaporize and contaminate the whole area in the same way vaporizing projectiles do...

Re: New Study Documents Depleted Uranium Impacts on Children in Iraq

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Looks like depleted uranium bullets probably have similar to effects to lead bullets. https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/the-toxicit...

when you say "lead bullets" do you mean gun bullets, or armor piercing bullets / projectiles? a normal bullet does not vaporize and contaminate the whole area in the same way vaporizing projectiles do...

I suppose whatever metal is used in a cumulative charge, a significant amount of it gets dispersed far and wide while a jet of the molten metal is piercing several inches of armor.

Copper, lead, whatever else, should contaminate all around as fine dust.

Re: New Study Documents Depleted Uranium Impacts on Children in Iraq

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Looks like depleted uranium bullets probably have similar to effects to lead bullets. https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/the-toxicit...

Your link does not support what you are saying. The linked article says that: (i) there aren't enough studies for the toxicity of depleted uranium (ii) we know that uranium is chemically somewhat similar to lead (iii) there are a lot of studies about the toxicity of lead, so (iv) because of (i)-(iii) for the time being it and for modelling purposes it may be useful to assume that depleted uranium has similar toxic effects to lead.

In other words, the article admits that the author does not really know about the toxicity effects of DE and uses lead only as a best guess.

Furthermore, the article clearly distinguishes between the toxic effects and radioactive effects. Depleted uranium is less radioactive than the usual uranium, but it is still plenty radioactive. And the effects of radioactivity are pretty bad when you are breathing the stuff in.

Re: New Study Documents Depleted Uranium Impacts on Children in Iraq

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Looks like depleted uranium bullets probably have similar to effects to lead bullets. https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/the-toxicit...

when you say "lead bullets" do you mean gun bullets, or armor piercing bullets / projectiles? a normal bullet does not vaporize and contaminate the whole area in the same way vaporizing projectiles do...

Depleted Uranium is not designed to vaporize. It has a boiling point (3818°C) more than twice that of lead (1740°C). It's atomic mass of 238 is considerably higher than Lead's 207.5. It packs quite the punch when put into a slug, but does not reach temperatures where it could vaporize. Certainly particulate matter would be ejected from the impact, though as with most slugs.

That said, what was done here is despicable and it is clear evidence of a war crime.

Re: New Study Documents Depleted Uranium Impacts on Children in Iraq

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The underlying concept had never clicked in my mind before, but now, looking at the common themes among some of these deformities I'm starting to realize why depleted uranium produces such pronounced disfigurement.

When you think about how a fertilized ovum subdivides from a singular entity, into a cohesive target comprised of trillions of entities, and that all features, structures and organs have only one chance to cascade the rapid coordinated proliferation as emergent functional shapes, with no undo stack, and no regenerative salamander retries or polyfills, penetrating, disruptive ionizing radiation seems to introduce the destruction of keystone stem cells that only appear once, with one chance to create the specialized arrangement of tissue architecture that creates our bodies in well known phases of development.

The introduction of the ionizing alpha particles is like rolling a billiard ball across carefully prepared chain of dominos, such that later phases of the chain reaction are unreachable due to cell death at whichever stage of the development gets ruined.

This is why some children seem to demonstrate malformation from the hips, shoulders and neck outward (completely unviable, profoundly distorted stillbirths), but others only show misshapen hands and feet (severe disability, with survivable deformities due to late-term exposure).

Use of DU should be abolished as a war crime.

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With a “half-life of 4.5 billion years” does that mean these areas are going to be permanent toxic waste lands? Regardless why isn’t there a growing movement to call the perpetrators of this war criminals?

> Regardless why isn’t there a growing movement to call the perpetrators of this war criminals?

You're kidding right?

Before the US invasion, the largest protests in the world happened all over the world against it and it didn't do anything.

> Social movement researchers have described the 15 February protest as "the largest protest event in human history"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_prot...

Re: New Study Documents Depleted Uranium Impacts on Children in Iraq

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post #6

With a “half-life of 4.5 billion years” does that mean these areas are going to be permanent toxic waste lands? Regardless why isn’t there a growing movement to call the perpetrators of this war criminals?

> Regardless why isn’t there a growing movement to call the perpetrators of this war criminals? You're kidding right? Before the US invasion, the largest protests in the world happened all over the world against it and it didn't do anything. > Social movement researchers have described the 15 February protest as "the largest protest event in human history" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_prot.…

Thankfully the war in Iraq was the last time our intelligence agencies mislead the public.
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