A Million People Are Jailed at China's Gulags. Here's What Goes on Inside
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#2It’s amazing how little coverage this gets. Sure this behavior is exhibited all over the world and could be worse in some places (North Korea). But there are so many cries for help from there. Millions. This scale could be approaching Holocaust numbers and we seemingly can’t do anything because of politics? Nuclear weapons?
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#3It’s amazing how little coverage this gets. Sure this behavior is exhibited all over the world and could be worse in some places (North Korea). But there are so many cries for help from there. Millions. This scale could be approaching Holocaust numbers and we seemingly can’t do anything because of politics? Nuclear weapons?
As we have seen with the situation with Hong Kong, and more recently Lebron James and the NBA, the economic power of China and the censorship ability or perhaps fear of their tyrant leadership - is enough to stop many people.
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#4It’s amazing how little coverage this gets. Sure this behavior is exhibited all over the world and could be worse in some places (North Korea). But there are so many cries for help from there. Millions. This scale could be approaching Holocaust numbers and we seemingly can’t do anything because of politics? Nuclear weapons?
There's too much money to be made by doing business in China for Western society to be willing to take a principled stand.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair
On a not-unrelated note, I'm thinking about buying some South Park DVD's. Just a small way to vote with my wallet on the China issue.
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#5It’s amazing how little coverage this gets. Sure this behavior is exhibited all over the world and could be worse in some places (North Korea). But there are so many cries for help from there. Millions. This scale could be approaching Holocaust numbers and we seemingly can’t do anything because of politics? Nuclear weapons?
This has actually gained mass coverage recently given the current geopolitical atmosphere. However, I would take this with a grain of salt. If you do a bit of research, you will find the claim was made by people related to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement[1](a terrorist organization linked to Al-Qaeda) and the World Uyghur Congress.
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Uyghur_Congress
Re: A Million People Are Jailed at China's Gulags. Here's What Goes on Inside
#6It’s amazing how little coverage this gets. Sure this behavior is exhibited all over the world and could be worse in some places (North Korea). But there are so many cries for help from there. Millions. This scale could be approaching Holocaust numbers and we seemingly can’t do anything because of politics? Nuclear weapons?
This has actually gained mass coverage recently given the current geopolitical atmosphere. However, I would take this with a grain of salt. If you do a bit of research, you will find the claim was made by people related to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement[1](a terrorist organization linked to Al-Qaeda) and the World Uyghur Congress. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party [2] https://en.wikipedia…
> the World Uyghur Congress
How suspicious that a person talking about mass abuse is part of the group being abused. /s
The WUC is not recognized as a terrorist organization by anyone except China. China labels anyone who disagrees with them as terrorists, particularly religious groups (hello Falun Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong).
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#7It’s amazing how little coverage this gets. Sure this behavior is exhibited all over the world and could be worse in some places (North Korea). But there are so many cries for help from there. Millions. This scale could be approaching Holocaust numbers and we seemingly can’t do anything because of politics? Nuclear weapons?
There's too much money to be made by doing business in China for Western society to be willing to take a principled stand. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair On a not-unrelated note, I'm thinking about buying some South Park DVD's. Just a small way to vote with my wallet on the China issue.
Consider that doing business with China may be the best way to prevent this kind of thing.
It's very likely that going to war with China or imposing economic sanctions would cause more of this rather than less. Doing business with other countries and promoting inclusive political institutions and labor opportunities is the best way we've found of ending these types of abuses.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's too much money to be made by doing business in China for Western society to be willing to take a principled stand. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair On a not-unrelated note, I'm thinking about buying some South Park DVD's. Just a small way to vote with my wallet on the China issue.
Consider that doing business with China may be the best way to prevent this kind of thing. It's very likely that going to war with China or imposing economic sanctions would cause more of this rather than less. Doing business with other countries and promoting inclusive political institutions and labor opportunities is the best way we've found of ending these types of abuses.
> Consider that doing business with China may be the best way to prevent this kind of thing.
I'm tired of hearing this refrain. We've been doing business in China for almost 50 years, and they're still doing shit like this, and the whole country is censored, and anyone with any kind of voice gets an immediate visit from the police. When does it end? When have we ever achieved any degree of government liberalization by doing business in China? What exactly does us giving them our money and our jobs and our realestate and our technology and our support in propagandizing their totalitarian regime accomplish?
When the entry requirements are "you must not attempt to liberalize our society or else", one no longer gets to pretend that business will liberalize their society.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's too much money to be made by doing business in China for Western society to be willing to take a principled stand. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair On a not-unrelated note, I'm thinking about buying some South Park DVD's. Just a small way to vote with my wallet on the China issue.
Consider that doing business with China may be the best way to prevent this kind of thing. It's very likely that going to war with China or imposing economic sanctions would cause more of this rather than less. Doing business with other countries and promoting inclusive political institutions and labor opportunities is the best way we've found of ending these types of abuses.
This is the argument people had when Nixon opened relations with China. If it hasn’t worked in half a century, I doubt it’s going to start working now.
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#10They were discriminated against and were becoming a minority in their own land, because the authorities moved masses of Han Chinese to Xinjiang, he explains.
It's strange that becoming a minority in your own land is considered obviously bad (which it is) for everyone except white people. Fiskesjö is a native Swede - Swedes too will soon become a minority in their own country.