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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by someonehere »

Literally this was me this morning after I upgraded last night and went to bed.

I get Apple wants to make people feel their in control of their privacy, but literally every app I use for work prompts me for every permission imaginable.

“Oh the command you’re running in Terminal, it wants permissions to your Downloads folder, is that ok?” ::click yes:: “Guess what? That same command you’re running in Terminal now wants to access you Library folder. Is That cool?” ::click yes:: “hey it’s me again, that Terminal command. It now wants to access your Documents folder. Is that cool?”

I’m a Sys admin prepping all the hoops to make my clients avoid this fiasco. It’s somewhat documented what we should expect, but it’s a lot of prep work and real world testing we need to go through to ensure our users don’t ask, “why am I always being prompted with these pop up questions?”

Also, TV, Podcasts, and FindMy are being disabled in Catalina. Disabling FindMy and logging everyone out of iCloud turns off the risk of the new Tile like features Apple is about to release on the world. I don’t want my users turning their work machines turn into Bluetooth beacons for Apple.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by etchalon »

I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency.

The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by ixtli »

etchalon wrote: post #3

I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

Yes their recent trend of moving user privacy to the forefront is one of the few really positive trends i've seen out of apple in the past 2-3 years. Ignoring that the questions being asked by the OS are good is very bizarre.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by rinchik »

etchalon wrote: post #3

I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

Second this. It's a major security update that allows you to re-evaluate and more precisely manage access rights that your existing apps have. Not sure what "super user" author is really sad about. No one is keeping him from using windows.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by yowlingcat »

Very sad to agree with this entire post. I hate to essentialize it to an already checked and problematic mythology of Jobs-Ives, but it seems like all of the air left the sails after Jobs passed. The OS versions are getting unreservedly worse, likewise with the hardware -- it's active regression rather than stagnation.

When it comes to having a quality laptop and OS to get work done, I would at least be happy with stagnation if the stagnation point occurred around the era of the best MBPs -- late model MBPr 15s, ~2012 to 2015-2016. I'm typing this one one right now. It's a little long in the tooth, but I'm horrified to update to a newer one and have to get the whole bottom panel replaced, yet again.

I'm hoping to defer this decision by a year or two, but I'm sure I'll have to bite the bullet eventually, and every year, I hope that it's not going to be worse, so that it'll at least be good enough. Sadly, it looks like that hope may yet be naive.

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