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“Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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As a Swedish speaker, I get this deeply rooted feeling of righteous indignation about not understanding spoken Danish. I'm only half-joking.

As a Finnish speaker, I don't get that feeling with Estonian. The written form is different enough to warrant a deeper look before I start whining about how annoying I find language studies in general.

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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Wonderful article, exposing some of the oddities of this non-Indo-European language in the middle of Europe, without becoming too technical.

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Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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As a Swedish speaker, I get this deeply rooted feeling of righteous indignation about not understanding spoken Danish. I'm only half-joking. As a Finnish speaker, I don't get that feeling with Estonian. The written form is different enough to warrant a deeper look before I start whining about how annoying I find language studies in general.

As a Finnish speaker, to me Estonian sometimes sounds like I'm having a stroke. Like I'm supposed to understand what is spoken but the words just don't resolve into their meanings.

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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I love the list of vowel-heavy words. You can also construct some similar words in Dutch. Or at least you used to before 1996, when a spelling change introduced hyphens into many of these:

  zeeëend - sea duck, or Velvet scoter (nowadays "zee-eend")
  koeieuier - cow udder (nowadays "koeienuier")
  zaaiuien - seed onions (still legal I think)
  kraaieëieren - crow eggs (nowadays kraaieneieren, I think)
We also have the opposite:

  angstschreeuw - cry of fear
  slechtstschrijvend - worst writing
These are fairly normal words. With a bit of creativity, you can make some that are much worse:

  borsjtsjschrokkende - borscht gorging
  haaiaaioorkonde - shark petting certificate
  weggooiooien - throw-away ewes

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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As a Swedish speaker, I get this deeply rooted feeling of righteous indignation about not understanding spoken Danish. I'm only half-joking. As a Finnish speaker, I don't get that feeling with Estonian. The written form is different enough to warrant a deeper look before I start whining about how annoying I find language studies in general.

As a Finnish speaker, to me Estonian sometimes sounds like I'm having a stroke. Like I'm supposed to understand what is spoken but the words just don't resolve into their meanings.

As an Estonian speaker, I feel the exact same way about Finnish. I guess it's universal :)

Re: “Did You Eat the Whole Cake?” On Learning Estonian

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An interesting thing I've noticed is that a lot of the younger generations in Estonia use English a lot when expressing themselves, especially when talking to their peers. I constantly hear everything from single English words in sentences, to fully English sentences used in-between Estonian ones.

I'm sure this is something that's happening everywhere (because of things like Hollywood and most of the internet being in English), but with the population in Estonia decreasing anyway, I wonder if this is an indication that the Estonian language will be dying out relatively soon.

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An interesting thing I've noticed is that a lot of the younger generations in Estonia use English a lot when expressing themselves, especially when talking to their peers. I constantly hear everything from single English words in sentences, to fully English sentences used in-between Estonian ones. I'm sure this is something that's happening everywhere (because of things like Hollywood and most of the internet being i…

I've noticed the same in Finland

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An interesting thing I've noticed is that a lot of the younger generations in Estonia use English a lot when expressing themselves, especially when talking to their peers. I constantly hear everything from single English words in sentences, to fully English sentences used in-between Estonian ones. I'm sure this is something that's happening everywhere (because of things like Hollywood and most of the internet being i…

I've noticed the same in Finland

Same for me. It can be fun sitting on a tram and hearing teens/youths speaking in Finnish with English interjected somewhat randomly:

"blah blah blah and then I died blah blah blah good game!"

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