Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse
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#2This is covering a full document of 45 google employees' claims of sexually/racially motivated abuse, toxic workplace experiences, and retaliatory behavior upon attempting to report such. Here is the link to the full document: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6427199-Examples-Ret...
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#3I don't really know what anyone* can do to address some of these, as unacceptable as the occurrence of these stories are. Reading through the document (linked to by SolaceQuantum), there's one case where someone felt unprotected by HR because they asked HR not to investigate and HR did, and claimed to have fired the person for other HR problems. I'm not sure what HR should have done there. Are they supposed to not at least investigate serious accusations so they know what happened, even if they never reveal who reported the manager?
There are other stories where someone claims something that can't be proven and that was either not witnessed, or must have been denied by everyone. Yeah it sucks if everyone on your team is protecting a douche, but... is HR supposed to intervene and fire someone because only one person claims something happened?
edit: *I mean anyone in HR. Obviously the team members protecting people are at fault in the first place. If you're on the victim side of this, you have to have a paper trail. Even messaging a coworker, "Didn't [boss]'s joke bother you? Where he/she [dropped the N-word | kept talking about sex]?" Then HR investigation can't say there's no evidence. If it progresses to the point of a lawsuit, now you actually have evidence.
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#5More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionality, the complaints and neuroticism will simply expand to match your 'enlightenment'.
“I identify as a LatinX female"
Seriously, if I went back in time before the 10-20 years ago where the brainwashing kicked in, would I be able to find any normal person anywhere in the world who would honestly tell me this sounds like a well adjusted sane individual who wouldn't in all probability be a human headache for everyone around them? Lol.
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#6I hope that Googlers can work toward creating a labor organization that helps them resolve these issues, because in light of all this and after Google HR’s involvement in the wage-fixing scandal, it seems obvious that things are pretty rotten in terms of their internal governance.
Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse
#7I don't really know what anyone* can do to address some of these, as unacceptable as the occurrence of these stories are. Reading through the document (linked to by SolaceQuantum), there's one case where someone felt unprotected by HR because they asked HR not to investigate and HR did, and claimed to have fired the person for other HR problems. I'm not sure what HR should have done there. Are they supposed to not at…
> someone felt unprotected by HR
How can this ever be true. Why would someone possibly expect HR to protect them.
Isn't it basic commonsense that HR( or anyone) works for person who pays them. Their job is to protect their employers from you ( not the other way around). I've never worked at a place where this wasn't true. Maybe this should be taught in college or something.
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#8More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…
Seems like we are learning by doing how this stuff should be handled. Some people in the gray areas are going to get burned, some complaints will be considered too much, and eventually we will get through the white supremacist patriarchal backlog and move on to some other new cultural change process, hopefully carbon.
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#9More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…
okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).
Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse
#10This is covering a full document of 45 google employees' claims of sexually/racially motivated abuse, toxic workplace experiences, and retaliatory behavior upon attempting to report such. Here is the link to the full document: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6427199-Examples-Ret...
I was speaking with some friends about this recently, and how it seems a lot like the uncanny valley effect. Relatively, Google has made a lot of effort to not be racist/sexist. They're working towards not being those things (though still evil for other reasons), but somewhere in between the start and finish is this uncanny valley where scandals are super likely to happen.
My friends and I all had different theories on why it's so prone to scandals, but we could agree that:
1. it still wasn't fully equal
2. it was equal to empower people to retaliate against the inequalities
3. there's a good chance some people were patting theme-selves on the back without fully achieving the goal
When we were talking about it, it was in the context of Meow Wolf. But it also seems to scale to a lot of West Coast politics.