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Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Ugh, Google in the middle, please change the following URL:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiS...

..to:

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-doesnt-anyone-weep-...

EDIT: The article itself is quite interesting, on the rise of Kubernetes, its adoption by VMWare, and the reason why Docker failed to capture market value as much as it could have.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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post #2

Ugh, Google in the middle, please change the following URL: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiS... ..to: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-doesnt-anyone-weep-... EDIT: The article itself is quite interesting, on the rise of Kubernetes, its adoption by VMWare, and the reason why Docker failed to capture market value as much as it could have.

Yes, it would be smart for HN to reject links that are google search engine tracking links.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Docker shit so hard on the established linux community with such arrogance Jessie Frazelle, a Docker employee at the time, would gloat about closing systemd-specific PRs. She wore a name tag @ DockerCon.EU 2015 proudly showing "I say no to systemd specific PRs".

Docker's plight? Good riddance.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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This article seems to be arguing that Docker’s primary downfall was being hostile to its open source community. Without having an opinion on whether that’s true, I suspect the core issue was not that but their business model and execution.

Before Kubernetes was the dominant container tech, they were pushing Swarm but I remember being confused about where Docker “standalone” stopped and where Swarm began. Perhaps it would have been better as a separate tool with a more clear open core model?

Then there was Docker Hub, whose UI was never great and which always seemed light on features.

I don’t recall seeing any kind of container introspection tool from them for a while either, despite others coming out.

Meanwhile, they represented a threat to the cloud providers if you could truly run anything in a container on any cloud. But the cloud providers all neutralized that threat by the classic “commoditizing the complement” strategy where the Docker cluster and registry tech were all either open source or commoditized.

Once Kubernetes emerged as the winner and de-valued Swarm while the cloud providers all offered their own Kubernetes and Docker registry offerings, I’m not sure how much more profit there was for Docker to claim.

Honestly, startups are hard. Sometimes really hard. It’s hard to know if a different team would have gotten different results in this space.

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Whenever the topic of building online open source communities comes up I feel compelled to share the work of the great Pieter Hintjens, the guy who wrote zero MQ. He wrote a book about this topic which I thought was quite good: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30121783-social-architec...

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Docker shit so hard on the established linux community with such arrogance Jessie Frazelle, a Docker employee at the time, would gloat about closing systemd-specific PRs. She wore a name tag @ DockerCon.EU 2015 proudly showing "I say no to systemd specific PRs". Docker's plight? Good riddance.

To be fair, arrogance seems to be quite popular in systemd as well

Re: Why doesn’t anyone weep for Docker?

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Docker shit so hard on the established linux community with such arrogance Jessie Frazelle, a Docker employee at the time, would gloat about closing systemd-specific PRs. She wore a name tag @ DockerCon.EU 2015 proudly showing "I say no to systemd specific PRs". Docker's plight? Good riddance.

Well, systemd sucks balls, so I kind of agree with not having PRs specific to it, but I see your point that wearing that on a name tag isn't very nice.
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