If you must run Windows 10

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Post by _o-O-o_ » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by owenwil » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:01 PM UTC

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from.

Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WSL2 and the other developer-focused improvements in tow, most of these are a shitlist of nitpicks, than things you'll run into every day. I switched from macOS about two years back, and couldn't see myself going the other way anymore ever again. But, that said, I can see why people want to stay there! That's the beauty of choice.

These types of posts are based on historical grudges, rather than modern experiences with Windows. Sure, there's going to be annoying things to change out of the box, but every machine, with any OS, has that.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by gibspaulding » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:03 PM UTC

There's some really great info in here!

The school I work for has been pushing out an LTSB image to most of our PC's and I can attest that it is a huge improvement over Pro.

The article also recommends Optimize-Offline and O&O ShutUp10 for users who can't get a license for the LTSC image. I hadn't heard of Optimize-Offline, but ShutUp10 is great for making Windows 10 way less annoying and invasive. I'll be checking out Optimize-Offline tonight!

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by zsrxx » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:03 PM UTC

owenwil wrote: post #2

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from. Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WS…

See, your comment is the typical comment of someone who comes from macOS. The angry posts come from people who've been using Windows since forever.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by Kuraj » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:04 PM UTC

I would be all over LTSB for all the things except lack of support for Microsoft Store apps, which I consider a vital feature - because for some apps this might be the only distribution channel available.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by inscionent » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:05 PM UTC

zsrxx wrote: post #4

owenwil wrote: post #2

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from. Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WS…

See, your comment is the typical comment of someone who comes from macOS. The angry posts come from people who've been using Windows since forever.

I honestly miss actively using both. Better to be angry with everyone.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by groundlogic » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:05 PM UTC

I've been using Win 10 on my main desktop for the past four years or so. I almost feel embarassed for saying so.

Microsoft definitely has a systemic "Software Quality Problem".

It does get really embarassing at times. Or, at least I would hope someone there is embarassed. I'm not sure. Maybe Raymond Chen is the single one embarassed person and everyone else are new recruits happy to be there?

Really, the only reason I run Windows 10 is that it's the fastest way to use the web, which is what I do all day long. The browsers are optimized for Windows in three critical ways:

a) general rendering speed

b) font rendering quality

c) site quality/functionality - a particular browser not working with a particular site is a much more urgent issue on Windows, where 90% of the users are than anywhere else.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by stuartd » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:05 PM UTC

Another option without Edge, Cortana and Candy Crush is Windows Server 2019 which is what I have on my Dev PC.

I’ve always run desktop server when I could - back to NT4 - initially to avoid any differences between local behaviour and deployed, though this is not really ever the case now. So now it’s for this reason - to avoid the cacophony of recent Windows versions, weird behaviour from updates and the like. I don’t know offhand how much a license is, mine is MSDN.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:06 PM UTC

LTSC is not intended as a desktop operating system. What people should be looking for is Enterprise: Which has all of the telemetry 0 options and such, but still works with modern Windows applications.

It's highly likely especially after Windows 7 goes EOL, you'll start seeing a lot more consumer applications that depend on Windows 10 functionality that's not going to work in LTSC.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by chadlavi » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:07 PM UTC

Holy hell, I had no idea it was that bad over in PC land. I mean you _hear_ things, but jesus.