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U.S. CBP and Israeli Elbit to Persistently Surveil Native American Reservation

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I honestly don't understand why the American people tolerate such influence within their borders. I guess the tyranny of distance is at play here - this reservation, as well as the other places patrolled by CBP stormtroopers, are out of sight and therefore out of mind for a majority of Americans.

But its only a matter of time until someone gets up on the pulpit and starts complaining about 'external sovereign powers having undue influence over American politics' .. as has been the case with the ridiculous Russia narrative of late.

I guess its a matter of having the 'right people' on the 'right side' of history - but frankly, given the choice, I'd rather live on the plantation any day. The oppressed natives of America have, time and again, demonstrated the kind of resilient human spirit that I admire.

And now, here we are, with the perpetrators of one of the worst apartheid states in the modern era, bringing it within the US' borders. How do people rationalise this against the "mah Russia' narrative backdrop?

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Surveillance of the border from a reservation. What a clickbait title.

“...a 160-foot surveillance tower capable of continuously monitoring every person and vehicle within a radius of up to 7.5 miles.”

Sounds like it’s surveilling the reservation to me. The stated purpose is to monitor border crossings, but that’s not the same as surveillance of the border.

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Surveillance of the border from a reservation. What a clickbait title.

Not really - they're surveilling a hell of a lot more than just the border, which is a 1-dimensional object. They're surveilling a Native American community that's in the USA, not on the border. They're basically building surveillance towers on the border and pointing many of the cameras towards the American side, where Americans live.

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post #2

I honestly don't understand why the American people tolerate such influence within their borders. I guess the tyranny of distance is at play here - this reservation, as well as the other places patrolled by CBP stormtroopers, are out of sight and therefore out of mind for a majority of Americans. But its only a matter of time until someone gets up on the pulpit and starts complaining about 'external sovereign powers…

unfortunately, i don't know of any single border of any state or nation that was peacefully acquired or constituted. I don't think "modernity" has changed anything, no matter where you make it starts.

If you want an example, then look at Israel, which is one of the first state that wasn't created unilaterally through force or as a result of war, but (at least initially) through a UN resolution from an assembly of states that (almost) all agreed on the necessity of partitionning the populations living in the area. And look at the result...

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post #4

Surveillance of the border from a reservation. What a clickbait title.

“...a 160-foot surveillance tower capable of continuously monitoring every person and vehicle within a radius of up to 7.5 miles.” Sounds like it’s surveilling the reservation to me. The stated purpose is to monitor border crossings, but that’s not the same as surveillance of the border.

This is already a thing done in the border in other locations, the title makes it out like it was built to surveillance the reserve. That is a clickbait title.

Re: U.S. CBP and Israeli Elbit to Persistently Surveil Native American Reservation

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Surveillance of the border from a reservation. What a clickbait title.

Not really - they're surveilling a hell of a lot more than just the border, which is a 1-dimensional object. They're surveilling a Native American community that's in the USA, not on the border. They're basically building surveillance towers on the border and pointing many of the cameras towards the American side, where Americans live.

People cross the border into the reservation, it’s not a game of red-rover. It’s not surveillance the reservation per-she, but the people and objects crossing.

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I honestly don't understand why the American people tolerate such influence within their borders. I guess the tyranny of distance is at play here - this reservation, as well as the other places patrolled by CBP stormtroopers, are out of sight and therefore out of mind for a majority of Americans. But its only a matter of time until someone gets up on the pulpit and starts complaining about 'external sovereign powers…

unfortunately, i don't know of any single border of any state or nation that was peacefully acquired or constituted. I don't think "modernity" has changed anything, no matter where you make it starts. If you want an example, then look at Israel, which is one of the first state that wasn't created unilaterally through force or as a result of war, but (at least initially) through a UN resolution from an assembly of sta…

Modern Israel wasn't created through war? I mean, the refrain I often hear from pro-war Israelis regarding the West Bank and the Gaza settlements is, "these people lost the war they started against us, so we have a right to that land" .. Sure, it maybe wasn't started that way, but it sure looks like its been maintained/expanded through war, endless bloody war.

Either way, I don't think the fact of Israeli involvement in surveillance theatre regarding Native American Indians is a positive development. I'm very curious as to how this can possibly be justified, given the state of Gaza today.

Re: U.S. CBP and Israeli Elbit to Persistently Surveil Native American Reservation

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“...a 160-foot surveillance tower capable of continuously monitoring every person and vehicle within a radius of up to 7.5 miles.” Sounds like it’s surveilling the reservation to me. The stated purpose is to monitor border crossings, but that’s not the same as surveillance of the border.

This is already a thing done in the border in other locations, the title makes it out like it was built to surveillance the reserve. That is a clickbait title.

It was built to monitor the reservation, for the purpose of monitoring border crossings.
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