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A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by buildzr »

> As the mechanism is unknown, it’s unclear what the actual danger is. Is it some byproduct of the nicotine cartidges, or THC ones? Is it the vapor itself? Is it only at certain temperatures or concentrations? Is it directly affecting the lungs or entering the bloodstream? No one knows yet — all they’ve seen is an sudden uptick in respiratory or pulmonary issues where the sufferer also uses vaping products.

We've seen a few studies suggesting certain flavoring agents may cause significant problems, has this been investigated as a possible cause?

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by adrianN »

sk5t wrote: post #4
Alex3917 wrote: post #2

Meh. Even if they kill 100,000 Americans per year, that would probably be one of the greatest public health wins in history.

And suppose it's 1 million lives per year after a 10-year ramp-up period?

That's pretty unlikely.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by stjohnswarts »

sk5t wrote: post #4
Alex3917 wrote: post #2

Meh. Even if they kill 100,000 Americans per year, that would probably be one of the greatest public health wins in history.

And suppose it's 1 million lives per year after a 10-year ramp-up period?

Why would there be a "ramp up" period. The number of vapes is going up rapidly, but the death rate would likely stay the same unless someone started suddenly spiking the vape liquid with lead or something. If anything it would go down as the possible culprits causing deaths are discovered and eliminated.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by sk5t »

adrianN wrote: post #6
sk5t wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And suppose it's 1 million lives per year after a 10-year ramp-up period?

That's pretty unlikely.

Okay, but is it impossible? Millions of people saturating their lungs with largely unstudied vapors from a variety of devices...

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by dmix »

sk5t wrote: post #4
Alex3917 wrote: post #2

Meh. Even if they kill 100,000 Americans per year, that would probably be one of the greatest public health wins in history.

And suppose it's 1 million lives per year after a 10-year ramp-up period?

Just like smoking it's important that those 10yrs have context around the deaths, assuming they ramp up, it's not just all vape usage = high risk. It's how you use it too.

I personally quit smoking cigarettes and moved from 24mg->3mg of nicotine over a few months (with zero withdrawl symptoms). 3mg is about as low as you can go. You can't do that with smoking cigarettes, "light" cigarettes is mostly just a flavour profile with only small differences in health and nicotine levels.

With cigarettes there were plenty of people who smoked a pack or two a day, those people on a 20yr span are at a higher risk. You see some people who smoke these massive vape clouds and they smoke constantly with high nicotine counts + high heat. Those are all voluntary options and the devices/juice is getting better with time.

Currently nicotine salts are taking over in vape shops, which are smaller devices, smaller amounts of liquid but higher nicotine-liquid ratios, and they have a much smaller exhale clouds which I find easier on the chest and way less anti-social when outside (the exhaled cloud is 10-50% of the size of a normal cigarette, and way smaller than traditional vapes).

Finally, there's second-hand smoke. There was a study showing vape smoke creates extremely small or non-existent second-hand transmission compared to cigarettes. Cigarette smoke stays in the air in a inhale-able state far longer.

> According to Drexel University toxicology expert Igor Burstyn, while the contents of e-cig vapor inhaled by users “justifies surveillance,” there is so little contamination in exhaled vapor that there is unlikely to be any risk.

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1...

^ This is a big deal for anyone who grew up with a parent who smoked around them like I did.

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