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No, You Won’t Get It Done over the Weekend

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Re: No, You Won’t Get It Done over the Weekend

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Try to say that to management. I'm sure most of them will promote this kind of behaviour instead of "asking for more time". Time is money and your manager doesn't want to get negative indicators

I have done, both in the EU and the US. It worked out fine.

People may be scared of management, but hopefully they're reasonable. They're people, too. Most have some kind of understanding that sacrificing short-term productivity is counterproductive, both in that tired people make more mistakes and worse decisions, but also fed up people leave (super expensive and inconvenient).

Of course, your colleagues matter here. If they fail to set similar boundaries and expectations, one person isn't going to fix a dysfunctional environment. That's why it's important to work with professionals, and not people who devalue themselves and others regularly.

Re: No, You Won’t Get It Done over the Weekend

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Try to say that to management. I'm sure most of them will promote this kind of behaviour instead of "asking for more time". Time is money and your manager doesn't want to get negative indicators

I have done, both in the EU and the US. It worked out fine. People may be scared of management, but hopefully they're reasonable. They're people, too. Most have some kind of understanding that sacrificing short-term productivity is counterproductive, both in that tired people make more mistakes and worse decisions, but also fed up people leave (super expensive and inconvenient). Of course, your colleagues matter here…

great reply to an overly cynical comment.

being able to push back is a luxury (unfortunately) that requires coming from a position of some power. that means that your colleagues support you, or that you are in a union.

where the GP is coming from is that mostly, this isn't the case.

Re: No, You Won’t Get It Done over the Weekend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have done, both in the EU and the US. It worked out fine. People may be scared of management, but hopefully they're reasonable. They're people, too. Most have some kind of understanding that sacrificing short-term productivity is counterproductive, both in that tired people make more mistakes and worse decisions, but also fed up people leave (super expensive and inconvenient). Of course, your colleagues matter here…

great reply to an overly cynical comment. being able to push back is a luxury (unfortunately) that requires coming from a position of some power. that means that your colleagues support you, or that you are in a union. where the GP is coming from is that mostly, this isn't the case.

I've never had the support of my colleagues or unions for any action I've ever taken at work. Well, I mean silently they may approve I suppose, who knows.

If it's right do it.

You owe it to yourself and your fellow workers to put yourself in a position that makes this possible. If you can live on 10K a year then when you earn 20K you must save the surplus.

It doesn't make sense to be afraid of your manager unless you're on some sort of abusive visa or something. You know this is your one life, there's no replay button, you can do the things right now that you'll wish you did in ten years time?

Re: No, You Won’t Get It Done over the Weekend

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Try to say that to management. I'm sure most of them will promote this kind of behaviour instead of "asking for more time". Time is money and your manager doesn't want to get negative indicators

Learning to talk to your manager is part of being a professional software developer. Lawyers, doctors, and other professionals all are good at setting reasonable expectations. Software engineers who make as much or more than all of those professions needs to learn to do the same in order to get the same esteem.

Re: No, You Won’t Get It Done over the Weekend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have done, both in the EU and the US. It worked out fine. People may be scared of management, but hopefully they're reasonable. They're people, too. Most have some kind of understanding that sacrificing short-term productivity is counterproductive, both in that tired people make more mistakes and worse decisions, but also fed up people leave (super expensive and inconvenient). Of course, your colleagues matter here…

great reply to an overly cynical comment. being able to push back is a luxury (unfortunately) that requires coming from a position of some power. that means that your colleagues support you, or that you are in a union. where the GP is coming from is that mostly, this isn't the case.

It serves the people in power to learn about delays beforehand - so they can plan around them - rather than being suprised by said delays at the last minute.

Some people live in denial. You do nobody any favors by encouraging their denial. Some people play stupid power and pressure games to ensure their employees aren't slacking. If you're already not slacking, you do nobody any favors by playing. Some people are between a rock (your estimates) and a hard place (their already agreed-upon deadlines). They're best served by a frank discussion of priorities, so you're hopefully slipping on the tertiary nice-to-haves, that they might even be able to negotiate away, rather than the core requirement they promised.

You don't necessairly need power to push back on unrealistic deadlines. What you might need power for, is to protect your weekends. But there's more forms of power than you've enumerated.

When there's a pattern of wanting my weekends, it's typically because they're trying to do too much with too few resources. What are they going to do - make things even worse, by spending more money to try and attract a replacement - and get less out of said replacement, until they get up to speed on the codebase - and maybe not get as much out of said replacement even then, if they're not quite as good as me at the specific thing I was doing? I'm a programmer living in a tech hub in the underpaid field of gamedev. I've got great BATNAs. I've got more options than they do. So do, I suspect, many/most "Software Developers" mentioned right in the subtitle of the article.

I'll work the occasional weekend once in a blue moon for something actually critical like a launch day. Management will often signal it's actually critical with commensurate compensation - time off, bonuses, or overtime pay. Or by not asking for my weekends in the first place until it's actually useful.

Re: No, You Won’t Get It Done over the Weekend

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Try to say that to management. I'm sure most of them will promote this kind of behaviour instead of "asking for more time". Time is money and your manager doesn't want to get negative indicators

Learning to talk to your manager is part of being a professional software developer. Lawyers, doctors, and other professionals all are good at setting reasonable expectations. Software engineers who make as much or more than all of those professions needs to learn to do the same in order to get the same esteem.

Those professionals often work obscenely long hours.

Re: No, You Won’t Get It Done over the Weekend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

great reply to an overly cynical comment. being able to push back is a luxury (unfortunately) that requires coming from a position of some power. that means that your colleagues support you, or that you are in a union. where the GP is coming from is that mostly, this isn't the case.

It serves the people in power to learn about delays beforehand - so they can plan around them - rather than being suprised by said delays at the last minute. Some people live in denial. You do nobody any favors by encouraging their denial. Some people play stupid power and pressure games to ensure their employees aren't slacking. If you're already not slacking, you do nobody any favors by playing. Some people are bet…

> You don't necessairly need power to push back on unrealistic deadlines.

I'm sorry, but you do.

If the entire rest of your team accepts such nonsense, and you are the only one pushing back, you will soon find yourself out of a job.

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