Python Is Eating the World

I wish pip worked the same way as npm: -g flag installs it globally, otherwise it creates a local "python_modules" folder I can delete at any time. And optionally I can save the dependency versioning info to some package.json...

Instead, pip is a nightmarish experience where it fails half the time and I have no idea where anything is being installed to and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to use sudo or not and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to use pip or pip3, etc.

Re: Python Is Eating the World

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Post by jbay808 » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 3:18 AM UTC

umvi wrote: post #4

If only its package management were as easy as its syntax... I wish pip worked the same way as npm: -g flag installs it globally, otherwise it creates a local "python_modules" folder I can delete at any time. And optionally I can save the dependency versioning info to some package.json... Instead, pip is a nightmarish experience where it fails half the time and I have no idea where anything is being installed to and…

Use Conda envs!

Re: Python Is Eating the World

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Post by emersonrsantos » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 3:18 AM UTC

Definitely EVE Online's MMO secret weapon is Python: https://www.eveonline.com/article/stackless-python-2.7 - as well as its numerous ecosystem utilities like Pyfa, Evernus, used by tens of thousands per day.

Re: Python Is Eating the World

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Post by dangom » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 3:19 AM UTC

umvi wrote: post #4

If only its package management were as easy as its syntax... I wish pip worked the same way as npm: -g flag installs it globally, otherwise it creates a local "python_modules" folder I can delete at any time. And optionally I can save the dependency versioning info to some package.json... Instead, pip is a nightmarish experience where it fails half the time and I have no idea where anything is being installed to and…

Is there any particular bottleneck towards getting this to work with Python? Would not a simple pip wrapper be enough for the task?

Re: Python Is Eating the World

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 3:19 AM UTC

umvi wrote: post #4

If only its package management were as easy as its syntax... I wish pip worked the same way as npm: -g flag installs it globally, otherwise it creates a local "python_modules" folder I can delete at any time. And optionally I can save the dependency versioning info to some package.json... Instead, pip is a nightmarish experience where it fails half the time and I have no idea where anything is being installed to and…

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Re: Python Is Eating the World

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Post by gilad » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 3:19 AM UTC

umvi wrote: post #4

If only its package management were as easy as its syntax... I wish pip worked the same way as npm: -g flag installs it globally, otherwise it creates a local "python_modules" folder I can delete at any time. And optionally I can save the dependency versioning info to some package.json... Instead, pip is a nightmarish experience where it fails half the time and I have no idea where anything is being installed to and…

Packaging is definitely recognized as an issue; e.g. here: https://cecinestpasun.com/entries/where-do-you-see-python-in...

Re: Python Is Eating the World

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Post by kingbirdy » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 3:20 AM UTC

umvi wrote: post #4

If only its package management were as easy as its syntax... I wish pip worked the same way as npm: -g flag installs it globally, otherwise it creates a local "python_modules" folder I can delete at any time. And optionally I can save the dependency versioning info to some package.json... Instead, pip is a nightmarish experience where it fails half the time and I have no idea where anything is being installed to and…

That's what virtualenvs are for. Admittedly they're not a perfect solution but the tooling is quite good nowadays.