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Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods?

It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen desertification, countering that is very important. It may be necessary to support global efforts to increase diverse planting to portions of agricultural lands to at least try to preserve them. Grazing and crop rotations as well.

Efforts for more diverse use of agriculture as well. More barley and buckwheat, less soy and corn. Less monoculture in the crops, seed varieties of crops we already grow to increase diversity in agriculture. Of course, moving away from Monsonto controlled models, which should mean reverting policy on patents regarding genetic markers and traits.

Right now, too much of the food supply is from mega farms with no diversity and lots of chemical pesticides and resistant strains of crops that are killing off bee populations. I'm not so much against GMO crops as a practice, but definitely need some genetic diversity in the practice. We have the ability to feed the world, we need to start concentrating on doing it better.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

The only real solution will be for wealthy nations paying Brazil to not exploit their natural resources, which seems like a very very high ask for all parties involved.

Otherwise we'll see the continued destruction for at least another 30-40 years until there's a global demographic peak.

We're also going to see the destruction of the Canadian Boreal forest as temperatures rise makes such land viable for industrial farming.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

The only real solution will be for wealthy nations paying Brazil to not exploit their natural resources, which seems like a very very high ask for all parties involved. Otherwise we'll see the continued destruction for at least another 30-40 years until there's a global demographic peak. We're also going to see the destruction of the Canadian Boreal forest as temperatures rise makes such land viable for industrial fa…

I wonder if there are any NGOs one could reasonably give money for that.

Most countries just don't have a rainforest although it's in interest of most to maintain the existing ones.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

The only real solution will be for wealthy nations paying Brazil to not exploit their natural resources, which seems like a very very high ask for all parties involved. Otherwise we'll see the continued destruction for at least another 30-40 years until there's a global demographic peak. We're also going to see the destruction of the Canadian Boreal forest as temperatures rise makes such land viable for industrial fa…

You can donate to charities that directly purchase rainforest. Rainforesttrust.org is one. They can purchase an acre of land for around 10 dollars.

Right now the main issue is that last year they only received 15 million in donations. Not nearly enough to stop the problem.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

The only real solution will be for wealthy nations paying Brazil to not exploit their natural resources, which seems like a very very high ask for all parties involved. Otherwise we'll see the continued destruction for at least another 30-40 years until there's a global demographic peak. We're also going to see the destruction of the Canadian Boreal forest as temperatures rise makes such land viable for industrial fa…

No, the Canadian forest would basically reclaim as much land from the tundra where it's currently to cold for trees as it would lose to agriculture. I expect it to be more or less a wash. Also the same goes for Russia's boreal forests.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

The money is not made on the lumber, but on agriculture.

I recently read that, most of the deforested regions are used for low-density cattle (0.5 cow / hectare), which gets transformed into beef, mainly for export.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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The only real solution will be for wealthy nations paying Brazil to not exploit their natural resources, which seems like a very very high ask for all parties involved. Otherwise we'll see the continued destruction for at least another 30-40 years until there's a global demographic peak. We're also going to see the destruction of the Canadian Boreal forest as temperatures rise makes such land viable for industrial fa…

You can donate to charities that directly purchase rainforest. Rainforesttrust.org is one. They can purchase an acre of land for around 10 dollars. Right now the main issue is that last year they only received 15 million in donations. Not nearly enough to stop the problem.

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Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

The only real solution will be for wealthy nations paying Brazil to not exploit their natural resources, which seems like a very very high ask for all parties involved. Otherwise we'll see the continued destruction for at least another 30-40 years until there's a global demographic peak. We're also going to see the destruction of the Canadian Boreal forest as temperatures rise makes such land viable for industrial fa…

why not just sanction or tariff beef exports? Seems like a simpler solution.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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Loss of the Amazon would be a major tipping point in ecological collapse: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/11/how-c...

In one model if the Amazon were deforested the snowpack in the Sierra Nevada mountains declines by half. There are global impacts for all of this.

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