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Part of Ham Radio AMPRnet IPv4 Space Sold to Amazon

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Re: Part of Ham Radio AMPRnet IPv4 Space Sold to Amazon

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Post by kawfey »

Amazon, or "A very big company with a significant internet presence" like it states on the page?

Nothing of value was lost to ham radio, as no ham or ham organization indeed ever used or would ever use that much address space. I guarantee as this makes the rounds on QRZ a dozen OM's will speak up in fiery, yet misplaced passion, but really, this is a much better use of the addresses and gives the amateur community in general an absolutely massive boost.

Re: Part of Ham Radio AMPRnet IPv4 Space Sold to Amazon

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Post by icedchai »

kawfey wrote: post #2

Amazon, or "A very big company with a significant internet presence" like it states on the page? Nothing of value was lost to ham radio, as no ham or ham organization indeed ever used or would ever use that much address space. I guarantee as this makes the rounds on QRZ a dozen OM's will speak up in fiery, yet misplaced passion, but really, this is a much better use of the addresses and gives the amateur community in…

"Whois" indicates it is Amazon.

Re: Part of Ham Radio AMPRnet IPv4 Space Sold to Amazon

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Post by cereal_console »

A response I saw on the 44net mailing list:

  On 7/18/19 10:57 PM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote:

  What's interesting about this is it was not an ARIN allocation, 
  and the ARDC folks are not the original registrant.  This IANA /8 was
  initially delegated to a community, not an organization.

  So, to the individuals listed in the blog, that I've excerpted
  below, what do you have to say about this?

  Brian Kantor
  kc claffy
  Phil Karn
  Paul Vixie
I find it interesting how AMPR can sell these IPs vs leasing them.

The community (including myself) only learned of the sale when 44/8 reverse DNS lookups returned NXDOMAIN today. There was no consultation with the community. The decision was made in private by the four listed above.

Re: Part of Ham Radio AMPRnet IPv4 Space Sold to Amazon

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Post by zifnab06 »

cereal_console wrote: post #4

A response I saw on the 44net mailing list: On 7/18/19 10:57 PM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: What's interesting about this is it was not an ARIN allocation, and the ARDC folks are not the original registrant. This IANA /8 was initially delegated to a community, not an organization. So, to the individuals listed in the blog, that I've excerpted below, what do you have to say about this? Brian Kantor kc claffy Phil Karn Paul…

It actually predates that even - rfc790 defines it as AMPRNET as part of ARPANET in 1981.

I spent a bit of time tonight trying to find the old pre-ARIN iana/isif Usenet group and failed. I'd imagine a list that predates ARIN would have some interesting history around this. ARIN's history has the net block assigned by IANA in 1992-07, but their records only show it in existence from 1996.

Additionally, ARDC (the nonprofit that currently owns 44/8) was only registered as such in 2011.

I'll keep looking when I have time.

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc790

Re: Part of Ham Radio AMPRnet IPv4 Space Sold to Amazon

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Post by icedchai »

cereal_console wrote: post #4

A response I saw on the 44net mailing list: On 7/18/19 10:57 PM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: What's interesting about this is it was not an ARIN allocation, and the ARDC folks are not the original registrant. This IANA /8 was initially delegated to a community, not an organization. So, to the individuals listed in the blog, that I've excerpted below, what do you have to say about this? Brian Kantor kc claffy Phil Karn Paul…

Possession is 9/10ths of the law, right? Whoever is listed as the whois contact has control.

Re: Part of Ham Radio AMPRnet IPv4 Space Sold to Amazon

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Post by tlrobinson »

kawfey wrote: post #2

Amazon, or "A very big company with a significant internet presence" like it states on the page? Nothing of value was lost to ham radio, as no ham or ham organization indeed ever used or would ever use that much address space. I guarantee as this makes the rounds on QRZ a dozen OM's will speak up in fiery, yet misplaced passion, but really, this is a much better use of the addresses and gives the amateur community in…

I’m more concerned about the lack of transparency and where the proceeds from selling off a public resource are going.

Re: Part of Ham Radio AMPRnet IPv4 Space Sold to Amazon

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Post by cereal_console »

zifnab06 wrote: post #5
cereal_console wrote: post #4

A response I saw on the 44net mailing list: On 7/18/19 10:57 PM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: What's interesting about this is it was not an ARIN allocation, and the ARDC folks are not the original registrant. This IANA /8 was initially delegated to a community, not an organization. So, to the individuals listed in the blog, that I've excerpted below, what do you have to say about this? Brian Kantor kc claffy Phil Karn Paul…

It actually predates that even - rfc790 defines it as AMPRNET as part of ARPANET in 1981. I spent a bit of time tonight trying to find the old pre-ARIN iana/isif Usenet group and failed. I'd imagine a list that predates ARIN would have some interesting history around this. ARIN's history has the net block assigned by IANA in 1992-07, but their records only show it in existence from 1996. Additionally, ARDC (the nonpr…

Great work on this! NANOG has a good thread going (as one can imagine...). Good post here: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-July/102131.h...
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