Leaving irc.perl.org
sungo.wtf
Leaving irc.perl.org
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Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#2i'd like to thank you for years of selfless service to the community. (i am not a perl user, so this means the FOSS community as a whole)
we all benefit from work like yours, even if only indirectly. it is people like you that make the FOSS community what it is.
thank you, and all the best on your further endeavors.
Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#3Both Perl and IRC have suffered heavily from a massive loss of popularity over the past decade, I can't say I'm too surprised that irc.perl.org is going the way of the dodo.
I really like IRC and I'm really sorry to see it go, and I still have an irssi running full time on a handful of servers. Freenode is basically the only server that manages to maintain its user base, but even for them it's not really growing anymore. I used Mozilla's IRC server pretty heavily when I was learning Rust and it was great (the community is really helpful and well moderated), but AFAIK they plan to get rid of it in the near future. Can Freenode single-handedly keep IRC afloat? For how long?
Clearly these days it seems that people want something a little more advanced than the pure text chat of IRC, and the federated architecture is not seen as a killer feature anymore.
From my point of view the centralization of the web seems to be unstoppable at this point. You can argue all you want on HN but people will still ditch IRC in favor of Discord or WhatsApp. I was talking with a bunch of geeky people in their early 20's the other week and for some reason I mentioned IRC and about half of them didn't even know what it was. All of them used Discord and WhatsApp however.
Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#4I think we tend to forget that running infrastructure is more than just keeping the servers working. Initially i thought 'oh maybe i could help with keeping irc.perl.org alive', but my motivation quickly went away as I kept reading the article ...
Thanks for all the work, sungo!
Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#5Both Perl and IRC have suffered heavily from a massive loss of popularity over the past decade, I can't say I'm too surprised that irc.perl.org is going the way of the dodo. I really like IRC and I'm really sorry to see it go, and I still have an irssi running full time on a handful of servers. Freenode is basically the only server that manages to maintain its user base, but even for them it's not really growing anym…
I've been trying to get back to IRC, but the clients seem dated for the most part. Do you have recommendations for something with a UI that feels reasonably modern?
Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#6Both Perl and IRC have suffered heavily from a massive loss of popularity over the past decade, I can't say I'm too surprised that irc.perl.org is going the way of the dodo. I really like IRC and I'm really sorry to see it go, and I still have an irssi running full time on a handful of servers. Freenode is basically the only server that manages to maintain its user base, but even for them it's not really growing anym…
my first thought on that post actually was, how about moving all the channels onto freenode? there is no need for every community to maintain their own servers. and most FOSS IRC users will be on freenode anyways.
Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#7if sungo is reading this: I'm happy to take over or help the new opers.
I've got some experience in IRC administration (Myself being in a similar position as sungo in a similar sized network).
The centralisation of IRC to places like OFTC and Freenode leads people to think that all IRC networks are similar to those, I'd rather help keep it more spread if possible.
That said, I'm sad to see another IRC operator burn out (since, it really sounds from his words that he's burned out with comments like "who cares, let it rot"), I wonder how we can support people better who are in "solo" positions like this in general.. :\
Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#8Both Perl and IRC have suffered heavily from a massive loss of popularity over the past decade, I can't say I'm too surprised that irc.perl.org is going the way of the dodo. I really like IRC and I'm really sorry to see it go, and I still have an irssi running full time on a handful of servers. Freenode is basically the only server that manages to maintain its user base, but even for them it's not really growing anym…
I've been trying to get back to IRC, but the clients seem dated for the most part. Do you have recommendations for something with a UI that feels reasonably modern?
I use glowingbear (https://glowing-bear.org/, https://github.com/glowing-bear/glowing-bear) to connect to a weechat session running on a VPS.
The setup is not non-tech-person approachable, but its generally been untouched aside from updates in this setup since 2013.
For non-tech people https://www.irccloud.com/ seems one of the best on offer.
Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#9if sungo is reading this: I'm happy to take over or help the new opers. I've got some experience in IRC administration (Myself being in a similar position as sungo in a similar sized network). The centralisation of IRC to places like OFTC and Freenode leads people to think that all IRC networks are similar to those, I'd rather help keep it more spread if possible. That said, I'm sad to see another IRC operator burn o…
curious, why do you think separate irc networks is worthwhile?
if they are FOSS community then they should be all the same. of course, different channels, and different people, but all with the same shared ideals...
Re: Leaving irc.perl.org
#10TLDR:
> I put myself out there, worked with people I'm not really fond of, and all I got for it was to be the target of everyone's rage and bullshit. No one was willing to contribute towards change in a constructive positive fashion. There was no reason to continue putting myself out there, to continue putting effort into services that no one else was willing to improve.