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Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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If this is something of interest to you, join your local CopWatch organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copwatch

Bruce is absolutely right: if nobody watches the watchmen, you can only expect trouble... filming police prevents things like this: http://www.gifbin.com/bin/112009/1258398254_police-brutality... and this: http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1238065175_cop-pushes-biker.gif

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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If this is something of interest to you, join your local CopWatch organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copwatch Bruce is absolutely right: if nobody watches the watchmen, you can only expect trouble... filming police prevents things like this: http://www.gifbin.com/bin/112009/1258398254_police-brutality... and this: http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1238065175_cop-pushes-biker.gif

A lot is discussed about cops using racial profiling and targeting certain neighborhoods. I have a theory that there's another form of profiling that targets more affluent areas for traffic citations to bring in revenue. Is this a concern for anybody?

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If this is something of interest to you, join your local CopWatch organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copwatch Bruce is absolutely right: if nobody watches the watchmen, you can only expect trouble... filming police prevents things like this: http://www.gifbin.com/bin/112009/1258398254_police-brutality... and this: http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1238065175_cop-pushes-biker.gif

A lot is discussed about cops using racial profiling and targeting certain neighborhoods. I have a theory that there's another form of profiling that targets more affluent areas for traffic citations to bring in revenue. Is this a concern for anybody?

What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem. If they're going to be fined even though they're not guilty, they should be able to challenge it and go to court. Or is it a different situation?

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A lot is discussed about cops using racial profiling and targeting certain neighborhoods. I have a theory that there's another form of profiling that targets more affluent areas for traffic citations to bring in revenue. Is this a concern for anybody?

What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem. If they're going to be fined even though they're not guilty, they should be able to challenge it and go to court. Or is it a different situation?

Aggressively patrol certain areas. (Yes I'm bitter and somewhat ranting)

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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If this is something of interest to you, join your local CopWatch organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copwatch Bruce is absolutely right: if nobody watches the watchmen, you can only expect trouble... filming police prevents things like this: http://www.gifbin.com/bin/112009/1258398254_police-brutality... and this: http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1238065175_cop-pushes-biker.gif

A lot is discussed about cops using racial profiling and targeting certain neighborhoods. I have a theory that there's another form of profiling that targets more affluent areas for traffic citations to bring in revenue. Is this a concern for anybody?

Any kind of oppression you can avoid by wearing your seatbelt and driving the speed limit is not true oppression.

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot is discussed about cops using racial profiling and targeting certain neighborhoods. I have a theory that there's another form of profiling that targets more affluent areas for traffic citations to bring in revenue. Is this a concern for anybody?

What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem. If they're going to be fined even though they're not guilty, they should be able to challenge it and go to court. Or is it a different situation?

I think I understand what the poster was talking about. I live in a decent neighborhood where it's mostly on street parking. The way my street sets up, even though it is a 2-way street it's mostly one way traffic. This leads to people parallel parking on both sides of the street while facing the same way (it's a fine to parallel park facing opposite of traffic). When I moved in over 18 months ago everyone was parked incorrectly. I parked incorrectly for 13 months before one night on the last day of the month we all received $30 parking fines at 3am.

I talked to a few of my neighbors and this was the first time they had seen fines given. I along with others parked the wrong direction for at least 13 months without a fine. So, either police never patrolled our neighborhood during that time or they decided to apply the law only when they feel like it, i.e. to meet their quota. Revenue generation at its finest!

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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I've always believed that it should be legal to audio and/or video record any government employee/contractor during the performance of their official duties (and I say that as a govt contractor). If we can't be accountable to the public, how can we expect to serve the public?

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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A lot is discussed about cops using racial profiling and targeting certain neighborhoods. I have a theory that there's another form of profiling that targets more affluent areas for traffic citations to bring in revenue. Is this a concern for anybody?

What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem. If they're going to be fined even though they're not guilty, they should be able to challenge it and go to court. Or is it a different situation?

What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem.

A lot of it has to with "equal enforcement" - take a look at mj enforcement in CA as described in http://reason.com/blog/2010/07/01/california-naacp-backs-mar... (leave aside for a moment the wisdom/necessity of the drug war) - I'm sure most of the people arrested for mj broke the law and deserved the consequences. but it as a negative effect on the targeted segment and not the population aa a whole. That puts one segment at a disadvantage in other aspects of life (getting a job, getting housing, etc).

BTW, don't know why you got downvoted, you simply asked a question.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem. If they're going to be fined even though they're not guilty, they should be able to challenge it and go to court. Or is it a different situation?

I think I understand what the poster was talking about. I live in a decent neighborhood where it's mostly on street parking. The way my street sets up, even though it is a 2-way street it's mostly one way traffic. This leads to people parallel parking on both sides of the street while facing the same way (it's a fine to parallel park facing opposite of traffic). When I moved in over 18 months ago everyone was parked…

This identical thing happened to me.
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