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To Fix the Social Sciences, Look to the “Dark Ages” of Medicine

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Re: To Fix the Social Sciences, Look to the “Dark Ages” of Medicine

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Lee has spent his entire career grappling with the issue of science denial — he’s the author of books on post-truth and defending science from fraud, the latter of which he drew on for this essay. Here, he holds the state of the social sciences up to the prescientific “dark ages” of medicine, an unlikely source for guidance, and lays out a path forward.

"Like medicine, social science is subjective. And it is also normative. We have a stake not just in knowing how things are but also in using this knowledge to make things the way we think they should be. We study voting behavior in the interest of preserving democratic values. We study the relationship between inflation and unemployment in order to mitigate the next recession. Yet unlike medicine, so far social scientists have not proven to be very effective in finding a way to wall off positive inquiry from normative expectations, which leads to the problem that instead of acquiring objective knowledge we may only be indulging in confirmation bias and wishful thinking."

Re: To Fix the Social Sciences, Look to the “Dark Ages” of Medicine

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Sounds like, unsurprisingly, the author hasn't spent that much time considering any of these questions themselves...they just have all the answers for those that do (thanks buddy!).

Some questions just deal with issues that are just not quantifiable (even the question he poses about immigration is just not completely quantifiable). And even questions that are quantifiable are often affected by beliefs (i.e. what happened to inflation in the 70s was a consequence, in part, of what people believed about the Philips Curve in the 1960s).

Perhaps more relevant: social science went through this phase nearly 100 years ago (in history, more than 100 years ago). And this issue was resolved often more than 50 years ago^. For example in history, EH Carr: people are not objective, arguments are often contingent but there are facts, present your argument, let your reader judge for themselves).

The most harmful thing is to claim that there can be objective truth about these issues. Economics has thrown itself against the rocks far too often. The trend towards this in history at mid/end of the 19th century produced some extremely unimportant work.

This can also tend towards quackery. I remember a biologist in my local politics dept (relatively prestigious) got a ton of funding because he believed he had found a way to spot the physical attributes of terrorists (srs, not joking, last I checked he had over $1m in funding from govt). Some people, like the author, are just unaware of the wider context. Less preaching about ways to "solve" social science, more listening (btw, in my experience all of the above applies to scientific research too...all research is contingent).

^ We first had the move towards (broadly) logical positivism/empiricism, then to post-modernism when that seemed ridiculous, and now to (imo) a reasonably healthy medium.

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The social sciences have gained an incredible amount of control over academia. Why would they allow the current system, which works very well for them, to be "fixed"?

Hmmm I do not know about that, the test real, meaningful control would be who gets the funding, no?

Social sciences is nowhere near the top of this list.

https://nsf.gov/statistics/2018/nsb20181/report/sections/aca...

Overall my understanding is that it is harder to be an academic in almost any field these days, but especially the humanities - social sciences are an in-between zone, but I doubt the universities cutting language and history programs consider the social sciences more 'science' than 'humanities.

Seems to me that there is a stigma around social sciences - both for legitimate reasons, and because, like anything which shines a light on the uncomfortable (systemic bias, racism, capitalism, etc) people get defensive and afraid and reactive and concoct conspiracy theories.

Re: To Fix the Social Sciences, Look to the “Dark Ages” of Medicine

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I'm always amazed that someone who by all rights should be intimately familiar with the history of social science research like McIntyre can seemingly be so unaware of it. There was an empirical, modernist period in social sciences in the 40-80s of exactly the kind suggested by Lee and it was an absolute disaster. The results couldn't be related to the real world, and no one was really able to get over the inherent [1] influence of the author in the data. After a lot of arguing and furious paper writing in the late 80s-90s, everyone began working on how to deal with that bias, moving it front and center where it can be handled instead of subtly hiding it in a bunch of numbers and pretending it didn't exist. Does it make people who aren't familiar with what's going on think everyone is a bunch of raving lunatics? Yes. It creates a heck of an image problem, not helped by the fact that some smaller percentage of academics are ideological lunatics. But it's far more manageable for their peers to deal with than trying to solve an impossible problem.

[1] If you don't understand why that's an inherent problem, ask yourself whether a white male like myself would get the same results doing research on menstruation in Kabul as an Afghani woman would, or an Arab doing sentiment polls immediately after 9/11.

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The social sciences have gained an incredible amount of control over academia. Why would they allow the current system, which works very well for them, to be "fixed"?

Hmmm I do not know about that, the test real, meaningful control would be who gets the funding, no? Social sciences is nowhere near the top of this list. https://nsf.gov/statistics/2018/nsb20181/report/sections/aca... Overall my understanding is that it is harder to be an academic in almost any field these days, but especially the humanities - social sciences are an in-between zone, but I doubt the universities cutti…

>> The social sciences have gained an incredible amount of control over academia. Why would they allow the current system, which works very well for them, to be "fixed"?

> Hmmm I do not know about that, the test real, meaningful control would be who gets the funding, no?

It may be that social science can exert control, but can't use that control to enrich itself. In that case, scientists who don't conform to the proper norms will suffer from a lack of funding, but the social sciences may not get increased funding.

Sadly, this is a much more difficult case to measure.

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Sounds like, unsurprisingly, the author hasn't spent that much time considering any of these questions themselves...they just have all the answers for those that do (thanks buddy!). Some questions just deal with issues that are just not quantifiable (even the question he poses about immigration is just not completely quantifiable). And even questions that are quantifiable are often affected by beliefs (i.e. what happ…

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