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Ask HN: What do you do for global warming?

#1
After a lot of discussions with my girlfriend about global warming we are still wondering what we can do to help fight the problem.

Some Background: There's evidence [0] that we will reach a point of no return regarding the climate change soon. Reaching this tipping point implies we create a self-reinforcing feedback loop where the whole 'Earth System' becomes destabilized which in turn leads to an increase in temperature of up to 50° in the next 100 years. See [3].

We think its clear there is reason to act now. There's some 'simple' points one can personally do to help:

* no flights * use public transport * use less energy * buy local groceries * cut back on dairy products

However, the largest impact on climate does not come from e.g. flights [1] but from the energy industry. One can only impact this indirectly.

Lots of the general public (including politics) seems to be oblivious to the problem at hand - ignoring the problem fully or at least partly. With Fridays for future [2] there is (at least in Germany) work done in this regard. At the same time it has just been decided there won't be a tempo limit on german autobahns and no CO2-emission tax.

It looks like the best might be to improve education on the topic - but it has to happen fast. If more people try to reduce their emissions it might force the 'bigger forces' to reduce their emissions, too.

This whole topic has a very negative ring to it - "Life is probably over in 50 years" is not something everyone wants to be confronted with. At the same time everyone has to acknowledge this and has to react accordingly.

So, really, I'd like to spark a discussion what one can do, what has been done and what you are doing. Also, what can give hope :) ?

tldr; We are fucked, what can we do?

[0] https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252 [1] check emissions by sector (link too long) [2] https://fridaysforfuture.de/ [3] https://www.azimuthproject.org/azimuth/show/HomePage

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#2
One of the biggest thing to do is not to teach western style consumerism to the rest of the world. Example say Bangladesh whose population now responsible for one-tenth per capita emission, now even if population is constant and they upgrade to western style consumerism they produce 10 times emission.

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#5
Very often these personal efforts are simply virtue signalling or a way for people to feel better about themselves. Doesn't mean that you should be wasteful with your resources or actively damage your environment but please, don't pretend to be saving the earth by drinking less milk.

Where a difference can be made:

- politics - if you are in politics yourself, or you can lobby and exercise some pressure to dictate policy, that can go a long way

- industry leaders can actually make a difference but don't have the incentives for it

- research and innovation - if you're an engineer this is probably where you can make the biggest difference even if you're unlikely to be one of the few people who have a breakthrough - renewable energy, alternative materials, new ways of food production and so on - you can put in work to improve the technology behind any of these to the point where they make more economic sense

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#6
My attitude is, do everything I can and take personal responsibility for everything I do. If in 50 years we've reached the tipping point, at least I won't be filled with regret of things I could have done differently. Blaming corporations for problems just adds another voice to the crowd, whereas lifestyle changes can help - if only minutely.

1. Diet - been vegan since reading the catastrophic effects animals agriculture has on the environment. Currently 2 years in and feel healthy as an ox.

2. Transport - run everywhere, cycle if necessary, drive and fly almost never.

3. Consumerism - live minimalist to a point where I'm happy and fulfilled enough to live happy, but not living as a pauper. Being happy allows me to work more efficiently, so it's a cost-benefit thing.

4. Investment - use the money saved from said minimalism to invest in carbon positive businesses and charities. Turns out that when you stop spending money on things and live on rice and beans, money starts coming out of your ears.

5. Career - currently in the process of transitioning from a career in the aviation industry, to one in the renewable energy industry. I'll take a pay cut, but at least my skills can be put to better use. So yes, you can impact the energy industry directly. Provide talent, research better alternatives to fossil fuels, try to become an industry leader and change that industry.

In my eyes, saying there is nothing you can do is a cop-out. There is always something you can do. When people say there's nothing they can do, what they really should say is 'it will be exceedingly difficult to put into action the things I want to change'.

My philosophy is, if everything fails it's utterly my fault and no one else's - but, it's alright to fail and I likely will multiple times. The only thing I can change is myself and my actions.

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#8
During your everyday life, you are given a range of choices you can make. Within that range is moral/immoral choices. However, you are limited with what you can do given the range of choices. The most effective action is to shift the range of choices so that even the most immoral choice is tolerable given the scope of the problem.

Groups like the Extinction Rebellion are having the correct approach. The problem isn't solvable through individual action but via collective action. We need to change the range of choices everyone can make instead of picking the moral choice within a small band of possibilities.

So what I think will work is to get into politics and civic life.

a) Join and help political parties make climate the #1 issue.

b) If you are in the USA, join the Bernie Sanders campaign as the climate is at the top for his campaign.

c) Do civil disobedience, Join groups like Extinction Rebellion.

e) Talk to people about the problem and have them join the fight.

d) Write software to help a,b,c, and e!

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#9
I personally have a small carbon footprint, considering I live in Europe. But I know that it’s no more than virtuous wishful thinking if I were to start a vegan diet out of love for the environment. What we need is practical, economic solutions that actually make a difference - and to get there we need an unemotional discussion based on facts.

A tempo limit on the German Autobahn wouldn’t have a big positive impact on the environment. I'd support a general CO2-emission tax (there‘s already a europe-wide emission tax for some industries [0]), but not as big and grand as Fridays for Future demands it - it'd make a lot of things much, much more expensive, and mostly low-income households would be affected, while the green upper middle class would just pay the premium.

However, like Greta Thunberg said: The fast and emotional exit from nuclear power for example in Germany was a wrong move. It could’ve been the best transition to renewable energies. Now, energy in Germany is crazy expensive, but thanks to coal they’re even further away from reaching the paris agreement.

It’s a good thing that Fridays for Future caused lots of discussions and that young people are getting active in politics. But scaremongering does not help. The whole thing smells like climate-populism.

Who says life will be over in 50 years?

[0] https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/ets_en

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#10
post #9

I personally have a small carbon footprint, considering I live in Europe. But I know that it’s no more than virtuous wishful thinking if I were to start a vegan diet out of love for the environment. What we need is practical, economic solutions that actually make a difference - and to get there we need an unemotional discussion based on facts. A tempo limit on the German Autobahn wouldn’t have a big positive impact o…

Frankly I don't believe in enough people changing their behavior to make any difference.

Past experience shows that the stable door only gets locked after the horse has bolted, in other words things will need to get worse before action will be taken.

And I believe even then only science, innovation and entrepreneurship (read: private initiatives) will save us.

In the future mankind will need to be more adaptable to climate change because changes will keep happening just like it always has been.

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