Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
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#2Profit before people / product / planet.
It’s been the downfall of many companies, and in this case, has resulted in the unnecessary death of many individuals.
Boeing is currently in the spotlight, but there are so many other companies - ranging from pharma to agriculture to tech, that also adhere to the above mantra and have been the cause of much death and destruction.
You can’t blame individuals, nor the companies here. The system they operate in requires them to report quarterly; with a priority on short term performance over a longer term outlook (it exists, but not overtly so). When you don’t meet those short term goals, both individuals (employee reviews, getting laid off etc) and the company (value on the public or private market) suffers.
I don’t know if there is a “fix”, or if it needs fixing at all, as our rapid progress is also down to this competitive and unforgiving environment.
Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
#3Boeing South Carolina teammates are producing the highest levels of quality in our history,” Kevin McAllister, Boeing’s head of commercial airplanes, said in a statement. “I am proud of our teams’ exceptional commitment to quality and stand behind the work they do each and every day.
Whoever is sitting down to write Boeing's PR response quotes needs to be fired, along with whichever c-suite exec is approving them. It's not acceptable to totally ignore actual safely issues being brought to light and respond universally with panglossian emptiness.
The quote about not needing to ground the Max, before being ordered to do so, was especially egregious.
Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
#4I'm reminded of the comment linked here on reddit from a former Boeing employee employed 2008-2009 (allegedly).
>To this day, I refuse to fly on a 787. I'm sure that the Dreamliners that came off the assembly line after about a year or so were fine but there's that first year of production that, as far as I'm concerned, are ticking time bombs. I talked to many engineers who had worked on that program to know just how badly they rushed that initial production.
Honestly, I already feel guilty flying due to the crazy amount of pollution these planes put out. Now I've got a slight fear that my plane might randomly fuck up due to software and now I feel like I should just stay grounded.
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#5Reminder that Boeing went to SC for massive government subsidies and a cheaper, non-unionized work force. But don't worry, I'm sure they're not being penny wise, pound foolish anywhere else!
(This behavior is by no means unique to Boeing or unusual at all).
Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
#6Profit before people / product / planet. It’s been the downfall of many companies, and in this case, has resulted in the unnecessary death of many individuals. Boeing is currently in the spotlight, but there are so many other companies - ranging from pharma to agriculture to tech, that also adhere to the above mantra and have been the cause of much death and destruction. You can’t blame individuals, nor the companies…
Cheaping out on things is not unique to profit making companies. (For example, government policies that keep gas prices artificially low. Or American cities that keep water/sewer rates too low to fix aging sewers that dump massive amounts of untreated sewage into rivers every time it rains.)
There is no “fix.” It’s human nature.
Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
#7I'm reminded of the comment linked here on reddit from a former Boeing employee employed 2008-2009 (allegedly). >To this day, I refuse to fly on a 787. I'm sure that the Dreamliners that came off the assembly line after about a year or so were fine but there's that first year of production that, as far as I'm concerned, are ticking time bombs. I talked to many engineers who had worked on that program to know just how…
Is this some new thing making rounds on the internet? Airplanes account for 5% of all CO2 emissions, and only a fraction of that is individuals flying. The average American would have to take a dozen New York-Tokyo flights per year to even double their carbon footprint.
I assume you’ve addressed more important sources of carbon emissions, such as moving to a state that doesn’t require heating in the winter or AC in the summer. (And it goes beyond saying that you don’t use Amazon prime or buy anything shipped air freight.)
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#8Profit before people / product / planet. It’s been the downfall of many companies, and in this case, has resulted in the unnecessary death of many individuals. Boeing is currently in the spotlight, but there are so many other companies - ranging from pharma to agriculture to tech, that also adhere to the above mantra and have been the cause of much death and destruction. You can’t blame individuals, nor the companies…
> You can’t blame individuals
You can and you have to. Corporations are structuredi nsuch a way that there is always somebody who is in charge of a certain project or descision. Of course this might be hidden. in order to fight "Profit before people / product / planet", these individuals need to be punished. It cannot be allowed that blame diffuses in a corporation. Otherwise there will be no change.
Re: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
#9Profit before people / product / planet. It’s been the downfall of many companies, and in this case, has resulted in the unnecessary death of many individuals. Boeing is currently in the spotlight, but there are so many other companies - ranging from pharma to agriculture to tech, that also adhere to the above mantra and have been the cause of much death and destruction. You can’t blame individuals, nor the companies…
You can’t blame individuals,
nor the companies here.
Mostly, I'm thinking about synthetic opioids. Mostly because you mentioned pharma in passing. Mostly I'm thinking about Purdue Pharmaceuticals and the Sackler family.
I can't really condone the idea that it's okay to throw your money into a magic black box, and ignore the reason why the black box magically grows your money.
If a pleasant financial advisor sits at a desk and tells you to feed your life savings into a worm hole, and on the other side you'll get triple back, as long as you never ask questions, sure, you'll do that.
But that right there is the origin of hundreds of thousands of lives lost to drug overdoses and addiction. Investors not asking questions, but just demanding returns. Who cares, as long as the checks come through?
The truth is, that level of commoditization is what gets people killed.
"I don't care how it works,
I want 10% growth every year, minimum"
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#10The Charleston build out just felt rushed. From the IT perspective, it felt that everything was half assed, where the thought they could just stamp Everett in South Carolina. I have memories of managers flying back to Renton to just get mundane things for the South Carolina flight line when they probably should have been installed during construction.
When I left in 2010, it became somewhat of an internal joke that you were never fired from Boeing, just sent to Charleston.