Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
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Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#2I think there are two things that would actually satisfy me at this point.
Audited by an independent (E.G. EU's) agency, with open records...
EITHER: A review of the actual paper trails and sources of the news story and build logs.
OR: A randomized sample of like 5-10% of the planes from the suspect time range looking at the suspect parts in question.
Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#3I think there are two things that would actually satisfy me at this point. Audited by an independent (E.G. EU's) agency, with open records... EITHER: A review of the actual paper trails and sources of the news story and build logs. OR: A randomized sample of like 5-10% of the planes from the suspect time range looking at the suspect parts in question.
Are you suggesting that you’d rather trust EU agency than FAA?
I think FAA had a fantastic record until this whole MAX PR nightmare - they’ve certainly damaged their reputation. But I feel like domain experts at Boeing or Airbus definitely are going to have an edge vs a lowly paid government auditor. EU’s agency or whatever are still going to have to rely on Boeing engineers input.
Having worked in the aviation industry (I was designing C-130 fuselage section) as a Mechanical Engineer, I can tell you that the whole enterprise sometimes feels like it’s supported on stilts, it’s a house of cards.
Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#4I think there are two things that would actually satisfy me at this point. Audited by an independent (E.G. EU's) agency, with open records... EITHER: A review of the actual paper trails and sources of the news story and build logs. OR: A randomized sample of like 5-10% of the planes from the suspect time range looking at the suspect parts in question.
Are you suggesting that you’d rather trust EU agency than FAA? I think FAA had a fantastic record until this whole MAX PR nightmare - they’ve certainly damaged their reputation. But I feel like domain experts at Boeing or Airbus definitely are going to have an edge vs a lowly paid government auditor. EU’s agency or whatever are still going to have to rely on Boeing engineers input. Having worked in the aviation indus…
I'm saying that, BECAUSE of the loss of trust, yes. I currently would prefer the EU to review US made air-frames, and the US to review EU made air-frames, with the results open and reviewed by the other global agencies.
Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#5I think there are two things that would actually satisfy me at this point. Audited by an independent (E.G. EU's) agency, with open records... EITHER: A review of the actual paper trails and sources of the news story and build logs. OR: A randomized sample of like 5-10% of the planes from the suspect time range looking at the suspect parts in question.
Are you suggesting that you’d rather trust EU agency than FAA? I think FAA had a fantastic record until this whole MAX PR nightmare - they’ve certainly damaged their reputation. But I feel like domain experts at Boeing or Airbus definitely are going to have an edge vs a lowly paid government auditor. EU’s agency or whatever are still going to have to rely on Boeing engineers input. Having worked in the aviation indus…
What makes you think EU government employees are underpaid, uninterested or unqualified? The "low pay" thing is largely a US phenomenon in the first world. Here's a write-up from Brussels claiming quite the opposite [1]. In many places working for the government is something to be proud of. 38% of Norway's entire labor force works for the government. Further you know the FAA and NTSB are both ... "lowly paid government auditors" right?
[1] http://www.brusselstimes.com/magazine2/5828/myths-and-truths...
Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you suggesting that you’d rather trust EU agency than FAA? I think FAA had a fantastic record until this whole MAX PR nightmare - they’ve certainly damaged their reputation. But I feel like domain experts at Boeing or Airbus definitely are going to have an edge vs a lowly paid government auditor. EU’s agency or whatever are still going to have to rely on Boeing engineers input. Having worked in the aviation indus…
What makes you think EU government employees are underpaid, uninterested or unqualified? The "low pay" thing is largely a US phenomenon in the first world. Here's a write-up from Brussels claiming quite the opposite [1]. In many places working for the government is something to be proud of. 38% of Norway's entire labor force works for the government. Further you know the FAA and NTSB are both ... "lowly paid governme…
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Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you suggesting that you’d rather trust EU agency than FAA? I think FAA had a fantastic record until this whole MAX PR nightmare - they’ve certainly damaged their reputation. But I feel like domain experts at Boeing or Airbus definitely are going to have an edge vs a lowly paid government auditor. EU’s agency or whatever are still going to have to rely on Boeing engineers input. Having worked in the aviation indus…
I'm saying that, BECAUSE of the loss of trust, yes. I currently would prefer the EU to review US made air-frames, and the US to review EU made air-frames, with the results open and reviewed by the other global agencies.
That makes sense, it is sort of unfortunate that we feel that way. It shouldn't be about which geopolitical tribal wars and more about objective data and analysis.
Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you suggesting that you’d rather trust EU agency than FAA? I think FAA had a fantastic record until this whole MAX PR nightmare - they’ve certainly damaged their reputation. But I feel like domain experts at Boeing or Airbus definitely are going to have an edge vs a lowly paid government auditor. EU’s agency or whatever are still going to have to rely on Boeing engineers input. Having worked in the aviation indus…
What makes you think EU government employees are underpaid, uninterested or unqualified? The "low pay" thing is largely a US phenomenon in the first world. Here's a write-up from Brussels claiming quite the opposite [1]. In many places working for the government is something to be proud of. 38% of Norway's entire labor force works for the government. Further you know the FAA and NTSB are both ... "lowly paid governme…
https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/eng/News/Data-news/Pub...
Here is some data that contradicts your arguments, but I would like to analyze it further and I do not know the reputation of the source.
Quoting the article:
> Comparison between countries is also possible when it comes to salaries. American and Belgian public employees come out better than their Swedish and British counterparts in this regard.
By the way, please refrain from using rhetorical questions when making arguments, it comes across as impolite and brash.
Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#9I think there are two things that would actually satisfy me at this point. Audited by an independent (E.G. EU's) agency, with open records... EITHER: A review of the actual paper trails and sources of the news story and build logs. OR: A randomized sample of like 5-10% of the planes from the suspect time range looking at the suspect parts in question.
Are you suggesting that you’d rather trust EU agency than FAA? I think FAA had a fantastic record until this whole MAX PR nightmare - they’ve certainly damaged their reputation. But I feel like domain experts at Boeing or Airbus definitely are going to have an edge vs a lowly paid government auditor. EU’s agency or whatever are still going to have to rely on Boeing engineers input. Having worked in the aviation indus…
What fantastic record? Huh?
The 787 was already "self certified". What kind of agency outsources certification to the manufacturer?! What's the point of an agency then? So that some 'Head' can earn millions? I do not trust the FAA and it's "fantastic" record for a second.
Now the NTSB on the other hand does a tremendous job. Sadly they only come in after disaster has struck.
Re: Boeing's 737 NG was manufactured using unsafe structural components (2010)
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think EU government employees are underpaid, uninterested or unqualified? The "low pay" thing is largely a US phenomenon in the first world. Here's a write-up from Brussels claiming quite the opposite [1]. In many places working for the government is something to be proud of. 38% of Norway's entire labor force works for the government. Further you know the FAA and NTSB are both ... "lowly paid governme…
https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/eng/News/Data-news/Pub... Here is some data that contradicts your arguments, but I would like to analyze it further and I do not know the reputation of the source. Quoting the article: > Comparison between countries is also possible when it comes to salaries. American and Belgian public employees come out better than their Swedish and British counterparts in this regard. By the w…
The quoted statement in no ways tells you anything about the relative salaries of Swedish vs “American” employees, because it’s comparing public salaries vs GDP/Capita. The “American” numbers could be twice as good, but if the “American” GDP per capita is 1/4th that would mean the Swedish public employees are still paid twice as much in absolute terms.
Anyways, my usage of the word “American” is in quotes for a good reason. American is almost certainly a typo there and was likely supposed to be Austrian, Austria being the country right below Belgium on that chart.
None of the charts reference the US, and nowhere else is the US mentioned. This is data about European countries.