Live data from Hacker News

Fantastic Mr. Fox (2005)

granta.com

1–10 of 25 posts

Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox (2005)

#5
Wow - this is old journalism at its best. A few things really stand out:

- a 36(!!) minute masterpiece, and difficult to cut anything out to make it shorter without losing something

- the journalist covered both sides of the story, and did so beautifully, allowing us to enter into his shoes and feel like we were in the action, talking to the people on both sides

- both sides were given more than fair treatment to voice, not just their political stance, but their passion and feelings about the issue

- added supplementary information about foxes, the history of hunting, animal rights, English dissenting tradition, even his personal experience with foxes - all to add color to the issue and make it come alive within its historical and humanistic context

- the opinion on whether or not fox hunting is right is not the main point of the article - the issue isn't front and center, the people are

- does not write his opinion into the article, remains the unbiased third party throughout while still allowing the reader to get into the heads of both sides and form their own perspectives and views

- an absolutely amazing conclusion (i want to avoid spoiling it) that manages to tie everything mentioned in the article together and turning fox hunting into commentary about the entire British society

2004, huh? Would love to see this kind of journalism make a comeback.

Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox (2005)

#6
>He was going to attempt the Three Peaks Challenge, running up Snowdon and Sea Fell and Ben Nevis, the highest mountains in Wales and England and Scotland, in one day.

Sea Fell? Scafell Pike?

Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox (2005)

#7
post #5

Wow - this is old journalism at its best. A few things really stand out: - a 36(!!) minute masterpiece, and difficult to cut anything out to make it shorter without losing something - the journalist covered both sides of the story, and did so beautifully, allowing us to enter into his shoes and feel like we were in the action, talking to the people on both sides - both sides were given more than fair treatment to voi…

I disagree. This shows some of the worst flaws of modern journalism: The smarmy tone, writing the story about personalities rather than facts, the narcissistic urge of the journalist to insert himself into the story.

It's a travesty.

Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox (2005)

#8
post #5

Wow - this is old journalism at its best. A few things really stand out: - a 36(!!) minute masterpiece, and difficult to cut anything out to make it shorter without losing something - the journalist covered both sides of the story, and did so beautifully, allowing us to enter into his shoes and feel like we were in the action, talking to the people on both sides - both sides were given more than fair treatment to voi…

I disagree. This shows some of the worst flaws of modern journalism: The smarmy tone, writing the story about personalities rather than facts, the narcissistic urge of the journalist to insert himself into the story. It's a travesty.

So, what's the alternative? And would it be as interesting to read? People generally like the human interest aspect. Especially as this isn't "news" but more a form of anthropology, a visit to two secretive warring tribes of rural Britain.

Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox (2005)

#9
post #5

Wow - this is old journalism at its best. A few things really stand out: - a 36(!!) minute masterpiece, and difficult to cut anything out to make it shorter without losing something - the journalist covered both sides of the story, and did so beautifully, allowing us to enter into his shoes and feel like we were in the action, talking to the people on both sides - both sides were given more than fair treatment to voi…

I disagree. This shows some of the worst flaws of modern journalism: The smarmy tone, writing the story about personalities rather than facts, the narcissistic urge of the journalist to insert himself into the story. It's a travesty.

I think it caught the spirit of the conflict, which is inherently political and cultural, rather well. It also appears well researched. The conversation with Tony Banks and his references to Peter Freeman give a lot of historical perspective and how society and the role of the state/establishment is changing, albeit slowly. So there are plenty of facts, just not simplistic ones.

A review of the situation in 2019 would be interesting to see. What did the saboteurs achieve, was it long term and what lessons could be applied to stop the continuing cruelty being meted out to wildlife on a daily basis which is still legal - the poisoning and shooting of protected birds of prey to satisfy the demand for driven grouse shooting being a good example.

Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox (2005)

#10
post #6

>He was going to attempt the Three Peaks Challenge, running up Snowdon and Sea Fell and Ben Nevis, the highest mountains in Wales and England and Scotland, in one day. Sea Fell? Scafell Pike?

Yes, Scafell Pike. Another, sad example of a townie knowing nothing about the countryside.

https://www.threepeakschallenge.uk/national-three-peaks-chal...

Post reply on HN