People who run BSD

#1

Post by vetelko » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 5:27 AM UTC

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by stingraycharles » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 7:45 AM UTC

I really like BSD myself, I used it as my primary OS for both desktop and server back in the early 00s.

Nowadays, with a container-centric cloud architecture, it seems like BSD doesn't really have a good answer to Kubernetes, Nomad, etc. If anything, the projects are experimental and/or hobby projects.

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by pfortuny » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 7:47 AM UTC

Just installed openBSD on my 2007 MBPro (OS X does not update etc.). What a charm.

I bought another MBPro in 2017 because I needed the power and the old one had become unreliable (shutdowns due to heat etc.) I use now the old one for home work and as a remote terminal. Could not be happier.

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by ivoras » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 7:49 AM UTC

stingraycharles wrote: post #2

I really like BSD myself, I used it as my primary OS for both desktop and server back in the early 00s. Nowadays, with a container-centric cloud architecture, it seems like BSD doesn't really have a good answer to Kubernetes, Nomad, etc. If anything, the projects are experimental and/or hobby projects.

Which is a bit bizarre because FeeeBSD jails were world's first containers on a vaguely desktop-ish unix-ish systems.

The crowd just never had the hype power of Linux and no big player took to developing cool things on top.

It just shows you that having a technically good solution is irrelevant if there's no marketing behind it.

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by tannhaeuser » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 7:58 AM UTC

ivoras wrote: post #4

stingraycharles wrote: post #2

I really like BSD myself, I used it as my primary OS for both desktop and server back in the early 00s. Nowadays, with a container-centric cloud architecture, it seems like BSD doesn't really have a good answer to Kubernetes, Nomad, etc. If anything, the projects are experimental and/or hobby projects.

Which is a bit bizarre because FeeeBSD jails were world's first containers on a vaguely desktop-ish unix-ish systems. The crowd just never had the hype power of Linux and no big player took to developing cool things on top. It just shows you that having a technically good solution is irrelevant if there's no marketing behind it.

It maybe also shows how brainwashed or resume-oriented the tech crowd is.

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by inferiorhuman » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 8:04 AM UTC

stingraycharles wrote: post #2

I really like BSD myself, I used it as my primary OS for both desktop and server back in the early 00s. Nowadays, with a container-centric cloud architecture, it seems like BSD doesn't really have a good answer to Kubernetes, Nomad, etc. If anything, the projects are experimental and/or hobby projects.

Given its scope, iocage has been an excellent way to manage jails for me. What docker brings to the table is a fairly easy way to build the containers themselves.

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by lelf » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 8:06 AM UTC

pfortuny wrote: post #3

Just installed openBSD on my 2007 MBPro (OS X does not update etc.). What a charm. I bought another MBPro in 2017 because I needed the power and the old one had become unreliable (shutdowns due to heat etc.) I use now the old one for home work and as a remote terminal. Could not be happier.

In case you ever run it from the battery, how is the power consumption?

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by h1d » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 8:11 AM UTC

I always thought BSD is surviving due to its liberal license allowing many companies to use it as a base OS for their prodcits without any liability to open their code leading to financial supports.

From a consumer perspective where a license choice doesn't really matter, I don't find much reason to use BSD over Linux, though I keep a FreeBSD just to keep up with the difference.

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by pfortuny » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 9:08 AM UTC

lelf wrote: post #7

pfortuny wrote: post #3

Just installed openBSD on my 2007 MBPro (OS X does not update etc.). What a charm. I bought another MBPro in 2017 because I needed the power and the old one had become unreliable (shutdowns due to heat etc.) I use now the old one for home work and as a remote terminal. Could not be happier.

In case you ever run it from the battery, how is the power consumption?

Never run it from battery: it has become just a backup for fast moves from room to room.

However, I have managed to get the processor get at 1Ghz when not under too much stress automatically (there is a switch which I do not recall, sorry).

Re: People who run BSD

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Post by stingraycharles » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 9:42 AM UTC

ivoras wrote: post #4

stingraycharles wrote: post #2

I really like BSD myself, I used it as my primary OS for both desktop and server back in the early 00s. Nowadays, with a container-centric cloud architecture, it seems like BSD doesn't really have a good answer to Kubernetes, Nomad, etc. If anything, the projects are experimental and/or hobby projects.

Which is a bit bizarre because FeeeBSD jails were world's first containers on a vaguely desktop-ish unix-ish systems. The crowd just never had the hype power of Linux and no big player took to developing cool things on top. It just shows you that having a technically good solution is irrelevant if there's no marketing behind it.

Exactly, Docker was able to get a lot of traction because of a variety of reasons (timing and usability, to name a few), even though from a technical perspective it's very much a suboptimal implementation.

And right now you just have a huge network effect around containers + linux: the tooling + support is the most compelling reason to "suck it up" and just fire up Ubuntu and call it a day.