‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
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‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
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Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#2I disagree. The only reason for AWS slow adoption of Kubernetes was because they couldn't find a strong use-case within their customer base.
Customers knew they wanted to use it, but they really didn't know how or why it would be better than using other type of container architecture.
AWS doesn't build services for customers to toy around. Every new service is a significant investment so the data and the use cases need to be really strong.
AWS can almost always wait for any new technology to show strong signs of adoption before doing anything in that space. Their leadership gives them that advantage. Of course other vendors jump faster into new spaces because that's their only chance to close the gap.
This happens with almost everything that is new. Another example is Blockchain.
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#3I disagree. The only reason for AWS slow adoption of Kubernetes was because they couldn't find a strong use-case within their customer base. Customers knew they wanted to use it, but they really didn't know how or why it would be better than using other type of container architecture. AWS doesn't build services for customers to toy around. Every new service is a significant investment so the data and the use cases ne…
Bollocks! AWS has had few horses(i.e aws ECS) in this race so they waited to see if they can win. Obviously K8 wins over ECS so now they have no choice but embrace K8.
The last thing Amazon wants is to be easy replaceable with a different provider. I guess this is same with the underdogs as well(i.e Google/Microsoft) and that's why they do all they can to lock you in with proprietary services(i.e Appengine, Datastore etc).
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#4I disagree. The only reason for AWS slow adoption of Kubernetes was because they couldn't find a strong use-case within their customer base. Customers knew they wanted to use it, but they really didn't know how or why it would be better than using other type of container architecture. AWS doesn't build services for customers to toy around. Every new service is a significant investment so the data and the use cases ne…
With K8s you are not spared having to understand the cloud architecture, or containers or Linux. You need to know all that and then how K8s works
Whereas something like Lambda in theory you can know less, because it hides stuff from you. You don’t need to understand Linux to use it.
I imagine this would have limited the number of users wanting k8s.
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#5I disagree. The only reason for AWS slow adoption of Kubernetes was because they couldn't find a strong use-case within their customer base. Customers knew they wanted to use it, but they really didn't know how or why it would be better than using other type of container architecture. AWS doesn't build services for customers to toy around. Every new service is a significant investment so the data and the use cases ne…
This sounds... implausible, given that every metric I've seen for k8s is pretty much hockey-sticking. For example, it's the 2nd largest open source project ever (after Linux) by contributors & commits.
The OP's hypothesis is that Amazon would much prefer ACS to succeed, because it exists already and provides nice lock-in, and AKS was only launched (after considerable internal shitfights, I'd imagine!) once it became clear they can't just ignore k8s.
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#6I'm not really following, perhaps it's too early here. AWS is a cloud provider, Kubernetes is container orchestration software. Here's a crazy thing, we do K8S on AWS.
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#7I disagree. The only reason for AWS slow adoption of Kubernetes was because they couldn't find a strong use-case within their customer base. Customers knew they wanted to use it, but they really didn't know how or why it would be better than using other type of container architecture. AWS doesn't build services for customers to toy around. Every new service is a significant investment so the data and the use cases ne…
Author here. This is absolutely not true. I worked for an AWS customer that wanted to use it and had a crystal clear strategy for why. The idea that AWS didn't have a business case for EKS is _laughable_. Also laughable is the idea that K8s didn't have enough traction to be worth the investment.
EKS was a bolt from the blue - we'd been quietly told by senior staff that ECS would be moved to a K8s API (which we may have taken). My feeling was that business trumped the engineering view that ECS was enough, but that's nothing more than my speculation.
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#8Inaccurate analogy. Container based compute is a very small part of the AWS ecosystem. You are missing the bigger picture. Companies are migrating to AWS for end to end managed infrastructure including directory services, databases (sql and non sql), managed ETL pipeline infrastructure, batch processes, backups, data processing and analytics at scale, high durability storage at scale, a host of mobile app services, even satellite ground station infrastructure of late. This list is a subset. And all this comes with compliance and security out of the box on the infrastructure side, and a very low support overhead on the IT side compared to if you did it yourself.
And finally these are not isolated services. They can be used as building blocks or layers. For example your aws lambda compute might be triggered by s3 events.
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#9I'm not really following, perhaps it's too early here. AWS is a cloud provider, Kubernetes is container orchestration software. Here's a crazy thing, we do K8S on AWS.
That's using AWS as a VM and VPC provider. AWS don't want you to do that, or at least, that's not how they'd like you to use their services (IMO).
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#10I'm not really following, perhaps it's too early here. AWS is a cloud provider, Kubernetes is container orchestration software. Here's a crazy thing, we do K8S on AWS.
The article sounds like a comparison of buzzwords tailored for the technically challenged. I mean, I'm pretty sure that a Dilbert strip will be created based on the reaction of the pointy haired boss to this specific article.