Germany considers amendment which makes it illegal to run a Tor node or website

Post by luckylion » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 2:15 PM UTC

Post by jdsully » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 5:45 PM UTC

deogeo wrote: post #3

luckylion wrote: post #2

As far as I know, it requires intent to do something illegal, i.e. running an illegal platform for drug & gun sales with the intent of providing that service. Just running a tor node wouldn't be touched imho, but yeah, it's a terrible idea in general.

That involves the fun prospect of having to convince a judge on what your intent was, and being jailed if you fail.

Post by luckylion » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 7:33 PM UTC

deogeo wrote: post #5

jdsully wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn’t it be the opposite? The prosecutor must prove your intent to do something illegal? Germany is not common law so I’m legitimately unsure.

Ah, sorry, I didn't mean to imply guilty-till-proven-innocent (I don't think that's how German law works). Merely that a prosecutor is going to present some evidence to try and imply your intent was illegal ("67% of Tor traffic is illegal therefore the accused is guilty!"), and you better hope your arguments will be more convincing. Basically it makes Tor nodes too much of a legal gray area to safely operate.