Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men
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Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men
#2I am sure the Labor Department will absolutely love Google giving raises specifically to men whilst under investigation for "systematically" underpaying women.
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#4That's why we need salary transparency to really address this. There are a lot underpaid men and a lot of overpaid women. Making this into a male vs. female issue does nothing to address the fact that people are underpaid.
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#5I am sure the Labor Department will absolutely love Google giving raises specifically to men whilst under investigation for "systematically" underpaying women.
I strongly suspect they'll be fine giving raises to anyone specifically being underpaid while under such investigation.
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#6I love the irony of this. Accused of underpaying women - their reaction is "let us get some data". Nope. underpaying men. This is the way you do things. You collect the data, analyze and react. Wash rinse repeat.
Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men
#7Should we read "Many Men" as "Those on H1B visas"?
Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men
#8The only surprising part to this is that it was made public.
>Women and racial minorities often do not get the same opportunities and they must overcome certain biases when they are hired or compete for promotions.
My problem with these kinds of "intrinsic biases" that white men are accused of is that they can only be shown to exist by accepting the fundamentally unproven assumption that we all enter the workforce equally capable in all industries, a position which is clearly untenable at a minimum because of cultural differences.
This is practically the definition of ideological, institutional bias, and the results will either be reduced efficiency across the workforce, or a violent swing of the ideological pendulum.
Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men
#9That's why we need salary transparency to really address this. There are a lot underpaid men and a lot of overpaid women. Making this into a male vs. female issue does nothing to address the fact that people are underpaid.
I think it would quite quickly turn into yet another source of conflict between employees. The problem with "equal pay" is direct comparisons only work in jobs that are essentially assembly line work, e.g., person A and person B do exactly the same thing every single day, and their output can be measured in exactly the same way, namely how many widgets each person produces in a given time period. Finding a difference in pay in that situation is cause for concern.
But that's not how a lot of jobs, software development included, work. It's entirely possible for someone fresh out of school to be a far more valuable team member than someone with ten years experience... yet we would point to a disparity in pay between those two people as [sexist, ageist, whatever-ist]. Now let an experienced employee find out they're getting paid less than someone with far less experience? Hooo boy, talk about creating a toxic environment.
Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men
#10I am sure the Labor Department will absolutely love Google giving raises specifically to men whilst under investigation for "systematically" underpaying women.
I strongly suspect they'll be fine giving raises to anyone specifically being underpaid while under such investigation.
I've seen a couple of studies that suggest that the pay gap isn't so much sexism as it is men just being better at negotiating in general. But with all generalizations it's not true for the entire group, so there will be some women who are better at negotiating and some men that are worse and have salaries that reflect that.
Basically the real world is a lot more complicated than people think and there are many factors that lead to pay discrimination. Claiming that it is due to sexism is an oversimplification.