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The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

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Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

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There is nothing which will make you happy. You must choose to be happy.

There is no job, no amount of money, no relationship, which will make you feel whole and happy and content and done. The opposite doesn't hold - there are jobs and relationships and financial strains which will certainly keep you from being happy.

The goal isn't for a job or a relationship to make you happy. It's to enable other things which are your goals, which may or may not be happiness related.

Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

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Overall I agree with the article, and would gladly trade my high paying job for one that I actually enjoy, as long as I could be sure that I can make ends meet. The one disagreement I have is the assertion that we should be happy making "just enough" money that we need. "just enough" can change due to circumstances outside our control, so earning more than enough gives you some cushion for when things don't go as planned. For example, a couple of years ago I was laid off due to budget issues at the company, and since I had been earning more than I needed, my wife and I were able to still live comfortably off savings while I was unemployed for a few months. If I had been earning "just enough", I might have lost my home when I suddenly started earning nothing.

Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

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There is nothing which will make you happy. You must choose to be happy. There is no job, no amount of money, no relationship, which will make you feel whole and happy and content and done. The opposite doesn't hold - there are jobs and relationships and financial strains which will certainly keep you from being happy. The goal isn't for a job or a relationship to make you happy. It's to enable other things which are…

Right on. It's the difference between temporary joy/contentment and true happiness.

Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

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The only time I'm concerned about money is when I think about the future. I make a lot of money when you consider that I live alone and don't really go out much, but if I ever want to raise a family in a house that I own, what I make right now won't cut it. I love my job, even though I'll have to leave it and get a PhD later.

The only other reason I want more money is to be able to eat out whenever I want, and not feel bad about spending the money instead of saving it.

Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

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Americans are becoming too rational and this is a major problem. When you over-value rationality, you expect to be able to have a rational answer to every question.

The hand-licking story that made the front page today illustrates this point perfectly. Approached rationally, the mom could not solve the problem, no amount of mental effort would yield a resolution or insight into the issue. When the mind expects an answer to a problem that it can't solve, it applies more and more 'force' until it breaks through. In this case, the force was destroying her family relationships. But this is what frustrated rationalism does. People don't or can't catch themselves before they create awful situations.

It is only when she applied an irrational approach to the problem, surrendering the need to control the situation, that she could finally understand what was going on.

I rail against excessive rationality on HN all the time, promoting a more cautious, traditional outlook on certain things like office politics. I expect coders to be exceptionally rational, I don't have any issue with it.

But Americans in general are succumbing to the trend of expecting to be able to answer every question they ever have in their lives and throwing away their emotional health on meaningless symbols and missing the true core nature of what it means to be happy and healthy and whole.

Perhaps the starkest example of this phenomenon is when atheists lament that there aren't any atheist churches. 50 years ago, if you were an atheist, you still went to church. They were still the pillars that communities revolved around, the very loom of the fabric of society.

Nowadays, we've thrown away every last bit of symbolism that brings people together and wonder why we're so lonely. If things aren't perfectly rational, people's minds rebel immediately and harshly, like it's my fault you don't understand a concept requiring depth of study to really grasp.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that the mind will create a myth if it doesn't already believe in one. Money, job, marriage is the American Dream myth. It stems ultimately from positivism and expecting to be able to understand everything.

It doesn't have to be this way. You might not be able to fix everybody else but you can fix yourself.

Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

We spend a lot of our time trying to add pleasure to our lives to (temporarily) boost us above our baseline happiness level, when really we should be spending that time learning how to change the baseline level itself.

Isn't it odd that there are monks who live with nothing who are probably happier than any of us?

Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

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Coming from a Mediterranean culture I can sympathise with the 'money doesn't mean happiness' maxim, but the opposite narrative is not much deeper.

In my life I moved from both extremes, from a poverty level wage in a dead beat job with a friend and family support network, to a high stress, high earning job, and something in between.

In all those situations I had sources of happiness and sources of unhappiness. As you move in life you make tradeoff that think will make you better off, some work and others don't. Ironically my current high stress job makes me happier than the previous one, because I am able to learn, grow and do great things. I traded a bit of work life balance for something else and that's ok; it might work for me and not for others.

So by all means avoid the rat race and live a more relaxed life, but also don't be afraid to try different things and see what works best for you at each point in your life.

Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?

#10
Like literally everything else, it's about balance.

No, you shouldn't let the world dictate your choices every single day.

But also you need to conform to some amount of societal standard. Social norms exist sometimes to keep society working and moving forward.

As for happiness, if you are trying to 'get' happiness through external forces, you're never going to be happy. That's not a secret.

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