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#2Yeah. This stuff matters. Firefox is more important than it's ever been.
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#3The last time I enjoyed using the Firefox rendering engine on a Mac was back in the Camino days. I’d almost say that that browser is a better Mac experience than Firefox is today.
I’ve started using Safari and it’s actually pretty OK and the resource utilization is a lot better than Chrome (no fans blowing!). I empathize with Firefox making a big deal out of avoiding a monoculture but i really hope they’re figuring out how to do a better job on things like the Mac internally, because I don’t think that people are really going to use an inferior product as some moral statement.
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#4Honestly I just see all this, even despite the author claiming taking time to "mull it over", as a knee-jerk reaction. There is little evidence that MS changing to Blink/V8 will have any tangible impact on the web.
Microsoft has hardly offered much as far as competition and diversity goes since IE6, basically the only web "innovations" they're responsible for is a bunch of IE-specific APIs that didn't work in any other browser.
The garbage rhetoric that Mozilla and their supporters have been spreading is pure FUD:
> By adopting Chromium, Microsoft hands over control of even more of online life to Google.
MS' new default browser being based on Chromium does not give any additional control of online life to Google. They're open-source projects that, while Google manages, does not have absolute control over the consumption of. If Google did ever try to muscle control on Chromium like they've been doing with Android, Microsoft could simply fork it without the hostile Google changes.
If anything I see this whole thing being beneficial for the web in the long run - now instead of MS engineers pissing their time and effort down the drain on a dead browser and needlessly fragmenting the market with engine differences, even if people don't use the default Windows browser Microsoft's engineers can contribute to and benefit the web by contributing their improvements upstream to the Chromium/Blink/V8 projects.
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#5I find it kind of hilarious that people seem to think the solution to the Chrome monoculture is them personally switching to Firefox and then writing a blog post / comment / tweet about it. It's like saying we need to get serious about climate change, so you're going to start cycling to work, and encourage your friends to do the same. If that salves your conscience, then great, but your individual actions are statistically irrelevant.
There are systemic trends and market forces at play here involving billions of people. And nowhere amongst the significant forces and trends will you find "there are insufficient nerds evangelising Firefox". Hacker News can upvote as many as these kinds of articles as it likes, but Chrome's market share will continue to grow until there is something far more substantial to stop it than philosophical objections by tech insiders.
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#6I find it kind of hilarious that people seem to think the solution to the Chrome monoculture is them personally switching to Firefox and then writing a blog post / comment / tweet about it. It's like saying we need to get serious about climate change, so you're going to start cycling to work, and encourage your friends to do the same. If that salves your conscience, then great, but your individual actions are statist…
So when MS controller the browsers we threw our arms in the air. But when google controls it we just sit here and go meh?
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#7The last time I enjoyed using the Firefox rendering engine on a Mac was back in the Camino days. I’d almost say that that browser is a better Mac experience than Firefox is today. I’ve started using Safari and it’s actually pretty OK and the resource utilization is a lot better than Chrome (no fans blowing!). I empathize with Firefox making a big deal out of avoiding a monoculture but i really hope they’re figuring o…
Correct me if I'm wrong, by all means, but I recently read somewhere that Firefox is genuinely trying to improve it's MacOS performance in one of the new releases.
No sources, it was just in passing somewhere, but I distinctly remember it.
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#8I find it kind of hilarious that people seem to think the solution to the Chrome monoculture is them personally switching to Firefox and then writing a blog post / comment / tweet about it. It's like saying we need to get serious about climate change, so you're going to start cycling to work, and encourage your friends to do the same. If that salves your conscience, then great, but your individual actions are statist…
So when MS controller the browsers we threw our arms in the air. But when google controls it we just sit here and go meh?
I didn't say the concerns are wrong, just that repeating them again and again, mostly within an echo chamber of tech people, will do nothing to change the facts.
I don't think people should sit there and go meh. They should just be realistic about what actions will and will not make an actual difference.
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#9I find it kind of hilarious that people seem to think the solution to the Chrome monoculture is them personally switching to Firefox and then writing a blog post / comment / tweet about it. It's like saying we need to get serious about climate change, so you're going to start cycling to work, and encourage your friends to do the same. If that salves your conscience, then great, but your individual actions are statist…
> I find it kind of hilarious that people seem to think the solution to the Chrome monoculture is them personally switching to Firefox and then writing a blog post / comment / tweet about it.
That's how change starts. "First they laugh at you..."
> nowhere amongst the significant forces and trends will you find "there are insufficient nerds evangelising Firefox".
Were you around when nobody knew what Firefox was?
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#10Firefox has one feature the other browsers will never have - privacy.