Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

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Post by lowe » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 8:56 PM UTC

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Post by clux » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:12 PM UTC

Not sure if it helps much. It still looks like the same clickbaity garbage that's in my regular trending tab.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

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Post by therein » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:16 PM UTC

This is a great idea. I also wanted to create a platform like this one however allow people to sync their list of subscribed channels from YouTube.

As you know, the subscriptions feed is now optimized on YouTube and not all new content from your subscribed channels find their way into your feed anymore.

This platform that I was thinking would basically bring that back, however under a different domain with a better UI.

Anyone interested? Let's build it together. Or just bring that feature into this site. I just want a feed that's chronological and non-optimized.

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Post by ikeboy » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:17 PM UTC

There's no music videos, which usually account for many trending videos.

If you want objective ranking, look at kworb lists. E.g. https://kworb.net/youtube/

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Post by the_cat_kittles » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:19 PM UTC

im always wondering how to quantify the self reinforcing aspects of popular videos. also it seems like score decay based on time should be completely controlled by the user

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Post by comesee » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:21 PM UTC

clux wrote: post #2

Not sure if it helps much. It still looks like the same clickbaity garbage that's in my regular trending tab.

Though it seems to be a different list of clickbaity garbage from https://m.youtube.com/feed/trending which is sort of interesting.

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Post by gniv » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:25 PM UTC

clux wrote: post #2

Not sure if it helps much. It still looks like the same clickbaity garbage that's in my regular trending tab.

I think it's worse for me, based on the current set. The official trending page has a few videos that I'd like to watch, including two from my subscriptions. But the fairtrending page has nothing I am interested in.

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Post by Micoloth » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:25 PM UTC

clux wrote: post #2

Not sure if it helps much. It still looks like the same clickbaity garbage that's in my regular trending tab.

Yes, here in my location too. Pretty much the same complete trash

Looks like AI recommendations did have a point all along lol

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Post by simongr3dal » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:25 PM UTC

From their about page:

"A simple way to understand this formula is that a video loses a point every 12 hours and gains a point every time it grows by 10x. In other words, a video's score will not change if its view count grows by 10x in 12 hours. These constants were tuned to keep popular videos around for about a day."

It seems like pretty flawed idea, they base their ranking on video views and age, but the video views are a result of the non-"Objectively-Ranked" videos on YouTube itself.

I think the page itself shows those results pretty clearly, it's chock full of videos with thumbnails designed to draw peoples eyes as well as text and titles designed to raise questions and imply drama in order to entice people to click.

That might be the wanted result, but I don't see how that is much different from the official Youtube trending page, except this one isn't localised/customised for your specific country.

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Post by ccdsacc » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 9:27 PM UTC

therein wrote: post #3

This is a great idea. I also wanted to create a platform like this one however allow people to sync their list of subscribed channels from YouTube. As you know, the subscriptions feed is now optimized on YouTube and not all new content from your subscribed channels find their way into your feed anymore. This platform that I was thinking would basically bring that back, however under a different domain with a better U…

My subscriber feed is chronological actually. Are you sure yours is not?