Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
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Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#2> After a long life of use, ensure that they are recycled properly.
Anyone ever read about Apple's must-shred agreement[0] with recyclers? Is that what "properly" refers to here?
> Ensure that Apple products last as long as possible.
Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones?
[0]: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recy...
[1]: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/01/09/targeting-apple...
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#3That is all very well and I really appreciate Apple's long support for iPhones, but Apple did popularize firmly bonded batteries in its phones and even in notebooks. A battery is a wear part and should be easy to replace. Every thing else leads to more waste.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#4> After a long life of use, ensure that they are recycled properly. Anyone ever read about Apple's must-shred agreement[0] with recyclers? Is that what "properly" refers to here? > Ensure that Apple products last as long as possible. Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones? [0]: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recy... [1]: https://www.commondreams.org/ne…
The original iPad also had OS updates discontinued incredibly quickly.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#5That is all very well and I really appreciate Apple's long support for iPhones, but Apple did popularize firmly bonded batteries in its phones and even in notebooks. A battery is a wear part and should be easy to replace. Every thing else leads to more waste.
Of course. That Apple is concerned with sustainability and durability is a sad joke.
The reason why no one "rush[ed] out of the room and call[ed] their broker to sell Apple shares" is because no one believed it!
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#6If longevity is what they want, they should release private keys and hardware specs for hardware that they drop from their own OS updates.
That way, we could continue using old iPads and iPhones, albeit with custom Android builds.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#7I'll believe them when I see their products come with replaceable batteries and more expansion options, and they start selling parts on their site.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#8That is all very well and I really appreciate Apple's long support for iPhones, but Apple did popularize firmly bonded batteries in its phones and even in notebooks. A battery is a wear part and should be easy to replace. Every thing else leads to more waste.
I do not necessarily disagree about the fact that batteries should be easily replaceable.
On the other hand, I do not think that Apple's motivation was pure greed: if you make the battery an easily replaceable part you also need to encase it in a shell, and make it robust enough that even untrained users can safely handle these.
This means that you have to make it bigger (externally) sacrificing actual internal volume. A softer shell (that will be reached only by qualified personnel who will later properly dispose of the old battery) give you a slightly longer battery life.
So they decided that (battery life+markup in handling replacements+making sure only certified batteries will be used) > (user convenience) which I think is not such a stupid idea: outside HN maybe not everyone is willing to grab the closest screwdriver when having to deal with their phones...
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#9> After a long life of use, ensure that they are recycled properly. Anyone ever read about Apple's must-shred agreement[0] with recyclers? Is that what "properly" refers to here? > Ensure that Apple products last as long as possible. Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones? [0]: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recy... [1]: https://www.commondreams.org/ne…
Thanks for the context. I am extremely doubtful that a company like Apple is going to commit to durability, parts reuse and recycling.
Repairability score of iPhones are not so bad, but the latest MacBooks are unrepairable.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#10I'll believe them when I see their products come with replaceable batteries and more expansion options, and they start selling parts on their site.
The battery is replaceable in most (all?) of their products, just not by the user. Battery service is sold on their site today.