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'Right to be forgotten' could threaten global free speech, say NGOs

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Re: 'Right to be forgotten' could threaten global free speech, say NGOs

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What prevents China from similarly demanding Apple to de-list apps from non-Chinese app stores that mention Tiananmen Square?

Nothing prevents that now, other than corporations having a backbone and or China thinking it's outside of their influence to demand (for now).

China is already getting pretty busy at exerting its influence on foreign entities to do things like that. Things that relate to its perceived national interest and identity, censorship, etc. Such as the demands placed on airlines as it relates to Taiwan (which isn't a Chinese territory and is a free nation).

You won't see any Winnie the Pooh baby blimps floating over London on Xi's next visit. Iran isn't going to refuse to sell oil to China over Xinjiang. Germany isn't going to refuse a natural gas pipeline with Putin's Russia. All countries, and most corporations, compromise their supposed morals on a routine basis when it suits them. Nike, they of vast sweatshop labor, feel free to simultaneously run ads promoting moral enlightenment.

Re: 'Right to be forgotten' could threaten global free speech, say NGOs

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What prevents China from similarly demanding Apple to de-list apps from non-Chinese app stores that mention Tiananmen Square?

Nothing prevents that now, other than corporations having a backbone and or China thinking it's outside of their influence to demand (for now). China is already getting pretty busy at exerting its influence on foreign entities to do things like that. Things that relate to its perceived national interest and identity, censorship, etc. Such as the demands placed on airlines as it relates to Taiwan (which isn't a Chines…

Nor would you, a few years back, see any demonstrators waving Tibetan flags and suchlike in Copenhagen during a Chinese state visit. Danish police saw to that, legal niceties be damned.

Re: 'Right to be forgotten' could threaten global free speech, say NGOs

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What prevents China from similarly demanding Apple to de-list apps from non-Chinese app stores that mention Tiananmen Square?

China is a nation. The particular instance of the law is designed to help (non-public important) individuals.

Various companies that built fortunes on easily collectible data, argue against the law with the "limiting free speech" line because they don't want to spend money on the data cleanup side.

The rest is propaganda.

Re: 'Right to be forgotten' could threaten global free speech, say NGOs

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Canada has already had court ruling forcing Google to delete pages globally (not just the Canada domain). So why not Europe?

The fight over that isn't over yet. https://www.thestar.com/business/2017/11/03/canadas-top-cour...

This is still an insane ruling by the U.S. that has no reasonable force of law. The top court of Canada, the highest judiciary entity, has said that the results must be delisted. Nobody can overrule the Canadian court's ruling on this, especially not an American court. In order to be in compliance with Canadian law, the results must be delisted, and as a company operating in Canada, Google must comply with Canadian law.

A U.S. judge can claim all they want that Google doesn't need to comply, but it still leaves Google violating the Canadian court's orders. It's entirely within Canada's purview to begin fining Google and potentially seizing and shutting down their assets in Canada until they comply with the law.

The ideal that a Northern California court has some sort of authority over the matter is literally laughable.

Re: 'Right to be forgotten' could threaten global free speech, say NGOs

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What prevents China from similarly demanding Apple to de-list apps from non-Chinese app stores that mention Tiananmen Square?

Nothing prevents that now, other than corporations having a backbone and or China thinking it's outside of their influence to demand (for now). China is already getting pretty busy at exerting its influence on foreign entities to do things like that. Things that relate to its perceived national interest and identity, censorship, etc. Such as the demands placed on airlines as it relates to Taiwan (which isn't a Chines…

Sure. But if European countries can insist on globally de-indexing truthful information because they feel its continued propagation is harmful, that seriously undercuts any moral high ground available when China tries to do the same.
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