Algorithm and Blues: The Tyranny of the Coming Smart-Tech Utopia
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Algorithm and Blues: The Tyranny of the Coming Smart-Tech Utopia
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Re: Algorithm and Blues: The Tyranny of the Coming Smart-Tech Utopia
#2All too true. The kinds of comment like "but they can just not use X" always appear in the context of Facebook/Google (often when they appear on HN). But that's like saying you should just "not use CCTV". I'm not a user of FB/Google/Smart Tech, it uses me, and when it is deployed pervasively, it becomes by definition, impossible to avoid. I can't stop my friends getting an Alexa / Siri / Google Home thing, so I can't help coming into contact with them.
We can't have it both ways. Making tech / apps / etc addictive or indispensable or "impossible to live without" (once you've had it a few weeks and so do your friends), and then asserting people can "just not use it" is contradiction 101. As a corpus of people, I think we engineers need to look much harder at the world we are building and the constraints / motivators that are causing us to do it.
Re: Algorithm and Blues: The Tyranny of the Coming Smart-Tech Utopia
#3The idea that modern annoyances (sitting in traffic, waiting in checkout lines, searching/browsing for information) are somehow essential to the human experience is super weird given that most of these things have only been around for 50ish years in their current form and less than 1,000 years in any form.
If I didn't have house chores or a commute, then I could spend a lot more time learning new pieces of Mathematics. Or work through the rest of the half-finished anatomy textbook on my bookshelf. Or finally get around to building a digital simulation of a human heart. Or start a garden. Or just hang out with a coffee at the hackerspace or coffee shop or church basement.
There are a lot of opportunities for serendipity, many ways to build grit, and infinite opportunities to socialize.
Sitting on a 1950's style cement highway for 30 minutes to go to a mall where I stand in the 1960's style Macy's checkout line is not the end-all and be-all of what it means to be human. That lifestyle an odd cultural aberration unique to the 20th and early 21st century.
The idea that doing dishes or vacuuming or driving a car in rush hour traffic are necessary to experience serendipity or frustration or boredom is a truly tyrannical vision of what it means to be human.
It's certainly true that we're not headed for a tech utopia (or dystopia), and that new technologies will have unintended and probably negative consequences (in addition to positive consequences).
But I'm not worried about ending commutes or killing the modern grocery shopping experience. Those things are inessential to the human experience and a net drag on society.
Re: Algorithm and Blues: The Tyranny of the Coming Smart-Tech Utopia
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#5> Most people do not subscribe fully or exclusively to the ideals embedded in the smart-tech utopian vision, yet they’ll have no choice but to live by those ideals. All too true. The kinds of comment like "but they can just not use X" always appear in the context of Facebook/Google (often when they appear on HN). But that's like saying you should just "not use CCTV". I'm not a user of FB/Google/Smart Tech, it uses me…
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#6I think the point at the end of the article is reasonable. But the argument in the middle is a tad silly. The idea that modern annoyances (sitting in traffic, waiting in checkout lines, searching/browsing for information) are somehow essential to the human experience is super weird given that most of these things have only been around for 50ish years in their current form and less than 1,000 years in any form. If I d…
Why shouldn't the techno Utopia be able to take advantage of psychological findings to maximize happiness of humans? If the theory about congestion leading to happiness is true and empirically discoverable, then the techno Utopia can take advantage of it to increase happiness by integrating the 'best' kind of congestion possible into the lives of its human constituents.
I personally agree that these congestions are inessential. They are only desirable insofar as they force people who ordinarily "live in the fast lane" to meditate, daydream, and socialize. These are actual essential activities in my opinion. When inefficiencies are removed people will actually have more time to directly focus on these things, rather than having their meditation/social time relegated to periods where they are waiting on something they should not have to.
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#7I think the point at the end of the article is reasonable. But the argument in the middle is a tad silly. The idea that modern annoyances (sitting in traffic, waiting in checkout lines, searching/browsing for information) are somehow essential to the human experience is super weird given that most of these things have only been around for 50ish years in their current form and less than 1,000 years in any form. If I d…
There two ways (at least) that the argument can still be perfectly valid:
1) Recentness or not doesn't matter. Women vote and no slavery/segregation are also recent things that have also "only been around for 50ish years" (or close enough), but one would presumably still consider them essential.
2) The gist of the argument is probably not about those particular annoyances per se, but about having annoyances (or non-optimizations or room for error, etc) in general (all of which are driven away by technology).
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#8I think the point at the end of the article is reasonable. But the argument in the middle is a tad silly. The idea that modern annoyances (sitting in traffic, waiting in checkout lines, searching/browsing for information) are somehow essential to the human experience is super weird given that most of these things have only been around for 50ish years in their current form and less than 1,000 years in any form. If I d…
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#9Now we have to know how to navigate healthcare.gov to understand our insurance options, understand email, text, and all other smart phone etiquette. We need to know how to scan our own items at the store, how to use GPS and other touch systems in our vehicles, and know how to use multiple operating systems on computers, tablets, and other devices.
It is never ending! In 20 years, I imagine most engineers and computer scientists won't really be able to understand the scope of all tech we need on a daily basis. Technology will eventually become the equivalent of a magic crystal we carry in our pocket, but have no clue what it's source of power is or how it functions. Technologists will effectively become wizards! Without those wizards, the tech-powered society would crumble into dust.
The author is right that most people will effectively become automatons, mindlessly obeying the little taps and chimes of their tech-addled existence. They wouldn't have a choice of course, unless they are one of the few capable of obtaining a couple masters degrees in STEM.
Re: Algorithm and Blues: The Tyranny of the Coming Smart-Tech Utopia
#10I think the point at the end of the article is reasonable. But the argument in the middle is a tad silly. The idea that modern annoyances (sitting in traffic, waiting in checkout lines, searching/browsing for information) are somehow essential to the human experience is super weird given that most of these things have only been around for 50ish years in their current form and less than 1,000 years in any form. If I d…
> The idea that modern annoyances (sitting in traffic, waiting in checkout lines, searching/browsing for information) are somehow essential to the human experience is super weird given that most of these things have only been around for 50ish years in their current form and less than 1,000 years in any form. There two ways (at least) that the argument can still be perfectly valid: 1) Recentness or not doesn't matter.…
Your second point is already addressed: learning a new field of mathematics or science can be deeply frustrating and requires grit. The automation of daily chores does not necessitate the death of annoyance or grit.
Just like people still work hard every day even though farming highly automated.