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Launch HN: Fintual Inc. (YC S18) – Automated Wealth Manager for Latin America

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Launch HN: Fintual Inc. (YC S18) – Automated Wealth Manager for Latin America

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Hello HN!! I’m Agustin, founder of Fintual Inc, from YC’s S18 batch. We’re building an automated passive investment platform for Latin Americans (https://fintual.com). I come from a computer science + business background so when we first started discussing this idea I didn’t have much experience on finance or investment other than what I had learned by playing around with Bitcoin. Since I graduated I knew I wanted to become an entrepreneur, but not having any work experience led me to pretty standard ideas like a music streaming website or a food ordering app. I realised rather late that I needed to join experienced partners to find better business insights and opportunities.

After many conversations with my current business partner Omar, who had been 8 years working for the largest wealth manager in LATAM, I was shocked to understand how Latin American people, including people around me, were unfairly paying enormous amounts of money to banks who offered very expensive and many times overly complex investment solutions to retail / uninformed long term investors. After investigating how Betterment, Wealthfront and passive investment strategies in general had been changing the landscape for Americans, we were motivated to do whatever it took to solve this problem in LATAM starting from our own country Chile which, despite being a tiny country, has more than 60 billion dollars allocated in Mutual Funds by itself.

We started by building a responsive website using AngularJS and Ruby on Rails as quickly as we could to get user feedback soon, we mostly copied the onboarding process directly from Betterment. At the beginning we thought automating every step of the investment process was the most important challenge, but now, after some experience and several conversations with YC partners, we have come to realize the real problem to solve is none other than distribution: how to reach millions of users in an economically viable way. Banks already have the clients, while we have to explain and convince people there’s a better way. At first we tried to find an incumbent to work with us, but after a year trying we decided to get our own license (the equivalent to a FINRA Series 6 license) which took a large part of the seed round and 8 months of work, but finally got it. We’ve been growing at a healthy 10% week over week since March now thanks mainly to word of mouth, but we know we need to have a better handle on this growth for the future.

I’m very excited to be at this point, I have been reading HN for 10 years now and I only dreamed about making a YC launch post. As I said, we need to find a more consistent approach on growth, If any of you has any new idea or has heard of approaches of how could we get more people to realize they’re overpaying (some even pay 7% annual fees!) and get them to know and trust our solution, that would be awesome, but anyway, I’m eager to read and respond to whatever this great community has to say.

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Passive funds have decades of experience selling low-cost products. In general, their awareness-raising focuses on bemoaining the compound effect of high fees - how paying 2% more in fees per annum can result in you having 60% less savings over a 40 year people, for instance.

A lot of ETF funds here play a bit of an educational mission. They have regular commentaries and features on financial media, often around ‘demistifying investing’ and always talk to how passive is so much better than active+fees.

I’ve often been shocked at how low the level of financial literacy is amongst even highly educated people. The standard passive marketing pitch appeals to them because it’s so much less opaque than active approaches.

I’ve long wanted to do something similar in South Africa. I think the key is ease of setup and building in scheduled contributions. If your customers are putting in a set amount each month then your revenue grows year on year even if your market share stalls.

Re: Launch HN: Fintual Inc. (YC S18) – Automated Wealth Manager for Latin America

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Passive funds have decades of experience selling low-cost products. In general, their awareness-raising focuses on bemoaining the compound effect of high fees - how paying 2% more in fees per annum can result in you having 60% less savings over a 40 year people, for instance. A lot of ETF funds here play a bit of an educational mission. They have regular commentaries and features on financial media, often around ‘dem…

Yes, I agree. And to improve financial literacy has proven to be a very hard, there's just too much noise when talking about money. We've seen mutual funds in LATAM charge up to 7% and for some reason nobody seems to care. We are currently tackling the highly educated tier as you say, they care and want to understand, and we believe that this niche might help us expand further.

Re: Launch HN: Fintual Inc. (YC S18) – Automated Wealth Manager for Latin America

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Passive funds have decades of experience selling low-cost products. In general, their awareness-raising focuses on bemoaining the compound effect of high fees - how paying 2% more in fees per annum can result in you having 60% less savings over a 40 year people, for instance. A lot of ETF funds here play a bit of an educational mission. They have regular commentaries and features on financial media, often around ‘dem…

Yes, I agree. And to improve financial literacy has proven to be a very hard, there's just too much noise when talking about money. We've seen mutual funds in LATAM charge up to 7% and for some reason nobody seems to care. We are currently tackling the highly educated tier as you say, they care and want to understand, and we believe that this niche might help us expand further.

Is it legal in Chile to show synthetic returns? If so, you could backtest your passive strategy and plot that on a chart along with the median mutual fund return. Heck, in South Africa only 18% of mutual funds beat the market over 5 years. Break the mutual fund returns down into returns before fees and returns after fees to show just how dramatic the effect is. With that single chart you can point to anyone, regardless of education, and say, ‘see that wedge, labeled fees? That’s what is financing your fund manager’s yacht.’

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Congrats on the launch and good luck!!

Apparently not for Brasil yet, but definitely a product we need here. I would use something like it, but the only option in the space is a new startup (https://oiwarren.com/) with horrible UX (every form emulates a natural language chat bot, which makes muuuch longer to fill out simple fields that a regular would take seconds).

Other than that, only brokers with very user-unfriendly online interfaces.

Easy, simple, wealth management is very much needed in here. I hope you do well enough in Chile to consider a expansion here.

Re: Launch HN: Fintual Inc. (YC S18) – Automated Wealth Manager for Latin America

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What advantage latin americans get for this be based on chile? There are other countries with much more population (your main self proclaimed challenge) and/or less tax burdens.

Chile is a good starting point for us because it has a higher GDP per capita and is highly digitalized. There's a pending treaty called "Pasaporte de fondos" that would in theory allow us to serve people in Colombia, Mexico, and Peru without additional regulation.

About taxes, I think Chile is on the lower-burden side of Latin American countries, but I'm open to hear if you have deeper insights.

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Congrats on the launch and good luck!! Apparently not for Brasil yet, but definitely a product we need here. I would use something like it, but the only option in the space is a new startup ( https://oiwarren.com/ ) with horrible UX (every form emulates a natural language chat bot, which makes muuuch longer to fill out simple fields that a regular would take seconds). Other than that, only brokers with very user-unfr…

We don't have short term plans to get in Brazil. We met Luciano from Magnetis (https://magnetis.com.br) here in Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago and he seems to be doing great there, perhaps you might want to take a look at it.

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#9
Who are your target users?

My understanding is that Betterment and Wealthfront are primarily aimed for upper middle-class millennials who have some savings but are not extraordinarily wealthy so as to have their own family office or dedicated wealth management team in Morgan Stanley / Goldman Sachs / JP Morgan / etc.

Since the upper middle-class in LATAM is significantly smaller than that of the US due to greater inequality, are you going after higher net worth individuals?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I agree. And to improve financial literacy has proven to be a very hard, there's just too much noise when talking about money. We've seen mutual funds in LATAM charge up to 7% and for some reason nobody seems to care. We are currently tackling the highly educated tier as you say, they care and want to understand, and we believe that this niche might help us expand further.

Is it legal in Chile to show synthetic returns? If so, you could backtest your passive strategy and plot that on a chart along with the median mutual fund return. Heck, in South Africa only 18% of mutual funds beat the market over 5 years. Break the mutual fund returns down into returns before fees and returns after fees to show just how dramatic the effect is. With that single chart you can point to anyone, regardle…

Legally, we cannot say "see, this is Fintual" when referring to the backtest, but we could definitely do the comparison and show how a passive strategy beats most of those yacht hungry managers. Great idea. We have done a simple chart that shows how fees eat people's lunch here https://fintual.com/simulador but we still need to iterate on top of that.
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